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Offline Fotog

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TC Spark Plugs
« on: Tuesday,September 27, 2022, 09:36:54 AM »
I've driven my TC a few hundred miles (only) since I got it going a couple of years ago.  At that time I put NGK BP7ES plugs in it.  I started it the other day and it seems to be running on 3 cylinders.  I know that the plugs are a bit sooty looking, so I'm assuming that the problem is just fouling.  I figured that before I attempt some in-depth trouble-shooting, I should just replace the plugs.

I'd like to replace them with BP6ES hotter plugs, but after having a hard time finding them, I see that they are discontinued by NGK.  A few days ago I saw "not available" at their website.  Today I see "discontinued".  Dang!  They suggest BPR6ES as a substitute.  I understand that resistor plugs might not provide as strong a spark, but I have no practical experience to know if there's a significant downside to using them or not.
 
There are other sources for plugs with the BP6ES part number, like those branded Honda, for small engines, but I think I shouldn't trust them to be the same thing.

Suggestions would be appreciated.  Should I try the BPR6ES, or something else?  If something else, what?

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Vince

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Re: TC Spark Plugs
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday,September 27, 2022, 11:50:02 AM »
I run Champion n7yc.  I found the ngk plugs foul easily, while the champion do not.

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Re: TC Spark Plugs
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday,September 27, 2022, 01:16:29 PM »
If you want to stick with NGK, they offer an iridium plug in the same heat range, BPR6EIX, that is readily available. Granted it's a resistor plug, but it uses a fine-wire iridium-electrode that delivers a hotter more concentrated spark. Iridium plugs are used in many modern engines for their durability, they're a 100,000 mile plug, and their performance advantages. Check them out. I use them in my 807 engine and have no complaints.

Below is an extract from a technical article written by Gordon Jennings in a 1977 issue of Cycle Magazine. At that time Iridium was not available, but the advantages of a fine-wire electrode still apply. 

"Platinum and gold-palladium alloys can survive the combustion chamber environment as very small wires, and in that rests their great advantage. Electrons leap away from the tip of a small-diameter, sharp-edged wire far more willingly than from one that's fatter and rounded. So the fine-wire plug requires less voltage to form a spark than one with conventional electrodes, and the difference becomes increasingly biased in the former's favor as hours in service accumulate and erosion blunts the iron-alloy electrodes. There are, of course, drawbacks with precious-metal plugs: they are more expensive, and they are very sensitive to excessive ignition advance."   

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Re: TC Spark Plugs
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday,September 27, 2022, 01:44:57 PM »
I would trust Pfreen's recommendation but I use NKG BKR6EIX similar to bjthomp. Our plugs are one heat range hotter than yours and that could make the difference. You could do an "Italian tuneup" to clear it out till you get your new plugs. Just run it at high revs for a while and it should start to clear up. Sooty plugs are a symptom of an over rich mixture so you might want to lean it a bit if you can.

This is good advice for buying ALL spark plugs:
Be very careful about buying plugs as there are a lot of counterfeits. It's easiest to get them from a known reputable dealer. If you get them online like on ebay or even Amazon, check with the company's customer service to make sure they are genuine. I had forgotten this advice when I ordered a set of NKGs on ebay and a great price. I called NKG's customer service and they verified that they are genuine so buying on line can work out very well. Also note that there are websites that try to tell you how to tell a genuine plug from a counterfeit. Don't bother with them. Go directly to the manufacturer.

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Re: TC Spark Plugs
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday,September 27, 2022, 01:52:14 PM »
Thanks, guys.

It seems like from your recommendations that I shouldn't be concerned about a resistor plug.

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Re: TC Spark Plugs
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday,September 27, 2022, 01:57:01 PM »
I would not be concerned about resistor plugs. If, for example, you have a Pertronix, you need to have either resistance plugs or plug wires.

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Re: TC Spark Plugs
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday,September 27, 2022, 04:49:03 PM »
Don't be so quick to go to hotter plugs.  A few hundred miles sounds like it may just need a good run after you clean the plugs.

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Re: TC Spark Plugs
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday,September 27, 2022, 05:11:18 PM »
Ok.  Thanks for the advice. 

I will add that recently I had a bit of dieseling upon shutdown and have therefore gone to higher octane fuel.  Maybe an Italian tuneup with the colder plugs would help keep things in line.  I haven't had any extended high-speed runs.