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Offline JR73

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Re: Upgrading the brakes
« Reply #45 on: Tuesday,May 31, 2022, 01:01:36 PM »
I have a high level (as in its mounted up high!) adjustable front anti roll bar - so you wouldn’t need the original pins on the bottom of the shocks. Again, had a variety of different bars to choose between depending on track/conditions etc.

As has been mentioned, the rear never had an anti roll bar but it’s easier to make one to fit on the rear - just use a genuine 47 for inspiration but adapt the idea to suit the obvious mounting points on your chassis. Removable rear cross member lends itself quite nicely to locate the bar.

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Re: Upgrading the brakes
« Reply #46 on: Wednesday,June 01, 2022, 12:48:10 AM »
Thank you JR, I'd also prefer the top mounted anti-roll bar. Did you do it similarly to Serge (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfDneY0k_cE)? I like Serge's solution very much.

Maybe the Europa never had a stock rear anti-roll bar, because the constructors wanted the car to be less oversteery. As you said, the rear anti-roll bar should be a bit easier to construct compared to the front one. Both anti-roll bars could be a project for me over the next winter.

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Re: Upgrading the brakes
« Reply #47 on: Wednesday,June 01, 2022, 03:38:04 AM »
Serge did it similarly to Banks! Theirs mounts to the top wishbone spindles (like the original) but otherwise is a similar shape, has the adjustable drop links and they are attached into the lower shock mount bolt in a similar way.

Whatever the reason was that Lotus didn’t fit a rear bar, they continued that thinking all the way through Esprit production too….. but all the race cars had them 😉

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Re: Upgrading the brakes
« Reply #48 on: Wednesday,June 01, 2022, 04:27:35 AM »
I did this to move mine. I am probably going to redesign the adjustable clamp.
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Re: Upgrading the brakes
« Reply #49 on: Wednesday,June 01, 2022, 07:11:02 AM »
The car was very predictable with the soft springs. Absolutely no tendency to understeer.

Yep . . so what rear spring rates are you using?

In my mind, you have enough HP to induce understeer coming out of a slow corner, and if you can't, then my thinking is that the front needs to go harder so as to improve to a front/rear balance.

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Re: Upgrading the brakes
« Reply #50 on: Tuesday,June 07, 2022, 12:30:56 AM »
The rear springs are also very soft. 200 lbs/inch. Now, front and rear spring rates are the same, but I guess, the rear springs will get harder, sooner or later.

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Re: Upgrading the brakes
« Reply #51 on: Tuesday,June 07, 2022, 06:09:39 AM »
Of course, the springs can be chosen shorter. Didn't think about that logical idea.

Regarding the anti-roll bar, I don't have one. Thus, that will be a good point to improve the suspension. To be frank, I don't even know the construction of the stock rear anti-roll bar. I have to do some research on that. The front could be difficult, as my Protech shocks don't have mounting threads for the anti-roll bar like the well-known Spax or Koni shocks.

No front bar or rear? There's a bunch of high mount bat set ups here. http://www.britishracecar.com/AndyAntipas-Titan-Mk6.htm

Rear bars can make getting power down hard on exit. If you go with the Quaife itt wouldn't matter but if you are open it will not be fun.

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Re: Upgrading the brakes
« Reply #52 on: Tuesday,June 07, 2022, 12:24:17 PM »
I liked the "sand bent headers" on that link!!
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