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Hands on automotive weekend classes?
« on: Thursday,December 12, 2024, 11:05:29 AM »
This may be the wrong section of the forum to post this, but I have been wanting to ask the community here if anyone is aware of any programs that offer automotive hands on classes?
I recall seeing in the past, weekend courses that will cover different aspects of automotive repair and restoration but am unaware if such courses still exist today since almost everything has transitioned to "online" 
I am highly interested in improving my automotive skillset and am curious what kind of options do I have outside of enrolling into a full course tech/trade/community college.  There has to be a somewhat less expensive route to fill in
my knowledge gaps.  If anyone here has any ideas or leads please feel free to drop a line or two in regard to this query, thank you!

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Re: Hands on automotive weekend classes?
« Reply #1 on: Thursday,December 12, 2024, 02:08:57 PM »
Were you able to contact Russel Musta with Lotus Ltd. or somebody with Lotus In Pittsburgh (the Pittsburgh club affiliated with Lotus Ltd.)?

I found 5 other Lotus Ltd. members in Pittsburgh but more interestingly, I did a search for members in Gibsonia, and of course I didn't find any, but I found one in Freedom, PA (James Mengon email: jalimen at aol dot com) and and one in Pittsburgh (Rob Dillon rob email: robdillon dot com). James considers his technical expertise to be "good" and Rob considers his to be "excellent." Both of these guys own '74 Europa Specials also James has an Elan S2 and Rob has a Lotus Seven S4 which suggests to me that they both have a firm mechanical background. Now I don't know how much hand holding they would be willing to do but the fact that they listed their technical expertise suggests to me they would be willing to help you learn.

I would also suggest reading the workshop manuals (online here http://lotus-europa.com/manuals/). My next door neighbor's teenage son comes over to help me when he can and I try to teach him things in addition to whatever the task of the day is but I've looked for a "get started" book but I haven't found one. I got my start with my VW Bug so I got a copy of "How to Keep Your Volkswagen Alive: A Manual of Step-by-Step Procedures for the Compleat Idiot." As the title suggests, it is for the beginner and it is filled with lessons, tips, and other helpful information that is universal to people wanting to keep a "pre-modern" car going. It is written in a very conversational tone and is often humorously. Unfortunately, it obviously is directed at VW owners so a lot of the information will be of little use to you (I did learn to statically time my VW using that book and the TC motor is statically timed and there are many things that are common to all cars - even modern ones!)

Haggerty Insurance (a very good option for your insurance) has articles on wrenching that are good. Of course most of them aren't helpful for wrenching on a Europa although some of them give general wrenching information, but Rob Seigel has a lot of well written, interesting articles about experiences he's had with maintaining his huge fleet of BMWs. His articles are a good read and they are another way of learning some general wrenching tips and techniques. But even more interesting and to the point is that he bought a Europa Special a few years back that he resurrected and he's written a lot of articles about his experiences with it. So many, in fact, that he's collected them into a book ("The Lotus Chronicles: One man’s sordid tale of passion and madness while resurrecting a 40-year-dead Lotus Europa Twin Cam Special").

None of those suggestions are in the form of a class. You might find one at a tech school. They can be very good though I would think they would be more geared toward modern cars rather than classic cars like ours.

I think I suggested joining a local Lotus, MG, or Triumph club. They will occasionally have tech sessions where you can learn new skills and you can meet some great people.

But how did I learn what I did (and I'm still learning)? Speaking for myself (and I suspect many of us here) I learned by doing, reading manuals, making mistakes and mostly from somebody who was willing to take me under his wing. In my case, he taught me stuff so I could help him put his race car together. I recommend this route if you can find such a person (but even if you can't find someone who spent the hours several days a week over a year or more, I think you'll be able to find someone who can guide you through specific tasks and answer questions. And of course, we here are always willing to help also!

Good luck!

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Re: Hands on automotive weekend classes?
« Reply #2 on: Thursday,December 12, 2024, 02:24:32 PM »
  Hands on Technical Schools for automotive are fine, BUT, ... I would suggest an aircraft technical school, New Jersey has Tetterboro school of aeronautics, 21 months later you have an A&P license good anywhere in the USA, and can also work on foreign carriers later with a repairman's certificate.
  But that's just me.
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Re: Hands on automotive weekend classes?
« Reply #3 on: Friday,December 13, 2024, 04:11:57 AM »
I started repairing my Lambretta scooter in 1968, I then graduated to a 1960 Mini when at Uni in 1970. I have been tinkering ever since.

After 56 years, I am still learning, but at least 1970s technology is easy to understand, and cheap to repair.

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Re: Hands on automotive weekend classes?
« Reply #4 on: Friday,December 13, 2024, 09:53:50 AM »
Check the trade schools and vocational schools in your area for evening courses. They often have basic courses for adult students, often 4-6 weeks long, 1-2 evenings per week. Very basic learning, a mix of theory and practice though much of it may be for much more modern cars. The classroom environment can be useful as learning along with others provides the opportunity to feed off their experience as well.

In some places there may even be courses offered for basic maintenance specific to vintage (pre 1980) cars.
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Re: Hands on automotive weekend classes?
« Reply #5 on: Friday,December 13, 2024, 01:04:08 PM »
My path to automotive enlightenment was attending various Auto Technology classes at my local community colleges; I have two within 45 minutes away. Taking a manual transmission and engine rebuilding class greatly increased my knowledge of those areas. Both were hands on where I got to disassemble and reassemble a spare 336 gearbox. For me transmissions before hand were magical black boxes I was afraid to delve into. The second class was Engine Rebuilding where I got to work on rebuilding my TC motor. Unfortunately that was the year of COVID 19, causing the class to be cancelled halfway through the semester leaving me with a disassembled engine. If your area has a community college with an Automotive Technology department, I recommend looking into their catalog to see what is offered.     

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Re: Hands on automotive weekend classes?
« Reply #6 on: Friday,December 13, 2024, 01:24:04 PM »
Alright, very cool everyone thank you for all the suggestions.  Looks like lots of different options I haven't considered and a handful of leads I will start looking into.  BDA, I just recently joined Lotus Ltd. but have yet to reach out to any individual members.  Perhaps one of the two local members you mentioned could possibly be of some help with rebuilding a 365 transmission.  I will have to open up a dialog with them.  I've been in contact with a member from here (grumblebuns) and am buying a spare 365 transmission from him.  The trans will need opened, inspected, and setup before use.  My goal is to undertake the rebuild of the spare trans myself over the winter.  On top of the workshop manual that I acquired with the car 4 years ago I have sought out numerous books directly related to the subject including the as mentioned by you, Rob Siegel's The Lotus Chronicles.  I also have Hagerty Insurance but never looked into their website's articles.  Sounds like a valuable resource that I missed!
I've worked within the cellular industry for most of my life now and that has taught me a jack of trades that puts me on the mechanically inclined side of things. I've cut in access roads, ran power to equipment shelters and backup generators, poured tower foundations, installed antenna arrays, tested antennas, rewired entire tower lighting systems, structural reinforcements, etc.  I've done all the ground and tower work, built entire sites from the ground up in various locations but I've never worked or have been trained as an automotive mechanic.  Of course, I've had my hand in small automotive repairs and have always maintained my motorcycles since acquiring my first bike at 19 but I'm aware that in this field the scales of what I know versus what I don't is not in my favor.  What I am hoping to gain is the knowledge, ability and confidence to rebuild small 4 cylinder engines like this and transmissions.  Competently undertake all forms of fibreglass repair and to be able to restore and fabricate a chassis from this era.  Really, I am aiming to transition out of the cellular industry to involve myself with classic car repair on a professional level.  Now, I just have to bring myself up to speed enough to be hirable as a mechanic at a vintage sports car repair shop.  Can only imagine these places are looking for people with the right certs, so I'm going to have to ask them what they are looking for then perhaps find a night school that offers said certification. 
dakazman, the idea of an aircraft tech school really resonates with me, I will have to look into what my area offers.  That could be really nice to have in my back pocket.
I'll see what I can find out and update when I find some traction.  Thanks again!           
   

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Re: Hands on automotive weekend classes?
« Reply #7 on: Friday,December 13, 2024, 02:19:05 PM »
Another bit of knowledge you might find is the Renault transmission manual, more thorough than Lotus’s efforts. The one I bought from eBay a couple of years ago is titled Workshop Manual, M.R. 156, Amendment nr2. For a Renault 15 or 17. Looks like it covers the whole car. So maybe there is a more tranny-specific manual out there.

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Re: Hands on automotive weekend classes?
« Reply #8 on: Friday,December 13, 2024, 02:26:20 PM »
Actually, reading this manual a bit more, it barely mentions the 352 tranny. Nothing about a 365. So maybe there is a better Renault manual to find. So, good idea: not so good specific idea :/

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Re: Hands on automotive weekend classes?
« Reply #9 on: Friday,December 13, 2024, 05:33:07 PM »
Kendo, I think you may be onto something here.  I lightly recall someone on here singing the same tune that Renault workshop manuals cover the lotus europa transmissions in much fuller detail than the lotus workshop manual.  Finding the right manual should just take time but yes thinking that could be of great use when overhauling the 365 in the near future.
I briefly looked into ccac's website, my areas community college.  From what I can tell, they seem to offer a couple of 2 year courses for the automotive field.  ASEP/ASSET/CAP Manufacturer Automotive Technology Program, A.A.S. (507.4) being one of them and Automotive Technology Program, A.A.S. (349.4) and Automotive Technology Program, Certificate (350.3) being the other two.  All of them focusing on the modern automotive industry.  Pittsburgh is full of schools I will just have to weed through all the modern courses being offered and find something that focuses more on classic/vintage automotive design and restoration. 

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Re: Hands on automotive weekend classes?
« Reply #10 on: Saturday,December 14, 2024, 06:17:41 AM »
The Renault manuals are very detailed and give an illustrated step by step guide to repair and overhaul, way better than the Lotus manual.  You can find them on the 'bay.  I'll dig up the part numbers of the ones that cover the 365.

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Re: Hands on automotive weekend classes?
« Reply #11 on: Saturday,December 14, 2024, 09:31:29 AM »
This one covers the 352, 365, and 395 transaxles in detail.


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« Reply #12 on: Saturday,December 14, 2024, 11:27:00 AM »
Excellent JB, i looked on ebay and found a manual located in France so the shipping is more costly than the book, oh well.  Could only find one that matches your picture albeit the cover's color being different so I pulled the trigger on the purchase.  Manual should arrive roughly the same time as the spare 365.