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Re: Just when I thought I was Winning
« Reply #30 on: Tuesday,September 17, 2024, 04:15:09 AM »
Dilkris they are fitted because in long right hand turns the oil moves to the left side of the pan and you can have oil starvation …. not sure that is an issue in a street car.
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Re: Just when I thought I was Winning
« Reply #31 on: Tuesday,September 17, 2024, 05:15:11 AM »
We are generating confusion here between a "baffle" and a "windage tray"

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Re: Just when I thought I was Winning
« Reply #32 on: Tuesday,September 17, 2024, 08:22:21 AM »

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Re: Just when I thought I was Winning
« Reply #33 on: Tuesday,September 17, 2024, 12:47:31 PM »
I tried to get that gated baffle e-book. They took my money, then led me to a 404 page. Has anyone else tried, or had any problems?

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Re: Just when I thought I was Winning
« Reply #34 on: Tuesday,September 17, 2024, 02:24:58 PM »
Try it again, Kendo. I clicked on "click Here To Purchase the ebook" and it took me here (https://elantrikbits.com/gated-baffled-sump/). Down near the bottom of that page is a button, "CLICK TO PURCHASE EBOOK" and that gives you a little popup with a Paypal button that sets up the purchase. Good luck!

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Re: Just when I thought I was Winning
« Reply #35 on: Tuesday,September 17, 2024, 02:30:06 PM »
I did the purchase, got an email from paypal confirming the charge, then got the 404 page and no ebook. I contacted elantrikbits about it, but haven't gotten a reply yet.

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Re: Just when I thought I was Winning
« Reply #36 on: Tuesday,September 17, 2024, 02:34:38 PM »
In that case, I'd get Paypal to back out the purchase and do your own. It isn't that complicated. The video on that page shows enough to make your own. You can do a youtube search for "build trap door oil pan" to see how they are designed and built for different cars. You should be able to easily adapt that to your oil pan.
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Re: Just when I thought I was Winning
« Reply #38 on: Tuesday,September 17, 2024, 03:07:46 PM »
  Sorry about bringing up this subject. I contacted https://elantrikbits.com/contact-us/ and ask them why they aren't responding to downloading a book after payment.
  I like the mountuneusa product. I follow their builds on Instagram, however I never purchased any of their products and own a TC,... YET. WTS, I put out the use of a windage tray, on the thought of the piston design causes more of a vacuum, sucking more oil onto the cylinder walls. That is my opinion only, and I cannot verify since I haven't seen the piston design of either one. That is why I mentioned to check with manufacturer.
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Re: Just when I thought I was Winning
« Reply #39 on: Tuesday,September 17, 2024, 04:33:07 PM »
 I received an email  see below.
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Re: Just when I thought I was Winning
« Reply #40 on: Tuesday,September 17, 2024, 04:47:00 PM »
  I just received this . See pic.
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Re: Just when I thought I was Winning
« Reply #41 on: Wednesday,September 18, 2024, 07:45:08 PM »
Another option one might want to consider is a swinging oil pump pickup. I found this on the Documents page (you do have this bookmarked, don't you http://lotus-europa.com/manuals/).

The swinging pickup instructions are here (http://lotus-europa.com/manuals/misc/engine/36e6089s/36e6089s.html, http://lotus-europa.com/manuals/misc/engine/36e6089s/bean_swinging_pick-up_kit_004.jpg, and http://lotus-europa.com/manuals/misc/engine/36e6089s/bean_swinging_pick-up_kit_005.jpg).

The instructions are pretty scant but the URL of the pictures mention "bean" which might imply that some of the parts might come from DBE. A call over there to Ken might be helpful.
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Re: Just when I thought I was Winning
« Reply #42 on: Sunday,September 22, 2024, 10:25:38 AM »
I've only just seen this thread but think I may be able to help a little here.  I've built something over 25 twincams over the years, both for road and race so I have a little experience of these engines.  The OP is quite correct, there are no valve stem seals as standard which is why a small puff of smoke is not unusual when blipping the engine, a continual stream of smoke is another matter. Correct valve to guide clearance is essential but easily measured and either confirmed or eliminated as the cause. Similarly if the piston rings are at fault then there will be lots of oil present in the combustion chambers of the affected cylinders only. In this case I would be concerned about the fit of the valve guides into the head as the cambers all sound to be opretty equal interms of oil and the original pictures show an oil track down the outside of the exhaust guide where it is visible inside the port.  There is no obvious sign of oil on the valve stem, so I think the oil is coming down between the guide and the head.  This is quite common when inexperienced builders just hammer the old guides out and smash new ones in without heating the head first.  The good news is you can buy oversized valve guides which can recover the situation pretty well.  If the bore the guide fits into is horribly scored (quite common if carbon has been dragged through by the old guide) then a little "bearing fit" anaerobic sealant will work wonders.  I'm afraid all the well meant speculation about camshaft followers, oil gallery location and windage trays are distractions from the primary issue here.
As an aside I wouldn't be too worried about the black sludge on top of the pistons if all the engine has done since it was built iis idled and run at light load and not really gotten up to temperature, most of that gunk is just carbonised fuel deposits that have condensed out onto the relatively cold piston crowns, especially if she is running rich at this stage.
I hope this helps,  Nick