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Offline Dilkris

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Re: Water in Fuel Tanks
« Reply #60 on: Tuesday,June 11, 2024, 12:17:55 AM »
So what's the long term solution for water sitting on top of the tanks? I guess it either:-
a) - stop it from getting there or
b) - modify or adapt the top of the tanks so as it doesn't matter and it can run off. Yes?
Anybody got a quick and cost effective solution that works? (No - I don't want to buy new aluminum tanks   :(   

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Re: Water in Fuel Tanks
« Reply #61 on: Tuesday,June 11, 2024, 12:56:56 AM »
After reading this thread I would imagine that just painting the tank tops with Waxoyl or something else that won't dry out would be good enough. I wonder if this isn't a problem for cars that have stood for years and not those in regular use ? The reason I say that is because the tanks on my car failed at the bottom with corrosion on the lower seam/leaks, not the top. 

When I bought it in the 80s it had only stood for a year after the first owner had died, until then he used it regularly from the records he kept. I think if water was collecting there and you were using the car daily then you'd find it before it became a serious problem.

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Re: Water in Fuel Tanks
« Reply #62 on: Tuesday,June 11, 2024, 01:23:45 AM »
I have no idea how this hole appeared after I checked both tanks and fitted them just over a year ago.

Due to the lip around the tank top, any water getting on to the top would find its way into the tank and prevent petrol getting into the carbs.

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Re: Water in Fuel Tanks
« Reply #63 on: Tuesday,June 11, 2024, 02:06:59 AM »
My tank suffered most corrosion around the sender locating area - I had to completely re-work this as the locking ring set up was completely unsalvageable.
Note the photo shows a blanking plate where the sending unit is mounted - I was preparing here to treat the inside of the tanks. 

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Re: Water in Fuel Tanks
« Reply #64 on: Tuesday,June 11, 2024, 08:10:44 AM »
That looks like a nice treatment on your fuel tanks!

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Re: Water in Fuel Tanks
« Reply #65 on: Tuesday,June 11, 2024, 10:03:55 AM »
I wonder if this isn't a problem for cars that have stood for years and not those in regular use ? The reason I say that is because the tanks on my car failed at the bottom with corrosion on the lower seam/leaks, not the top.

:I-agree: I think you have hit the nail on the head - with regular use, any moisture that reaches the top of the tanks is either removed via heat from the engine plus any circulating air.   

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Re: Water in Fuel Tanks
« Reply #66 on: Tuesday,June 11, 2024, 06:38:40 PM »
Mine failed from water on top which came through the trunk lid screens. My solution was to install aluminum fuel tanks and seldom leave the car in the rain.

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Re: Water in Fuel Tanks
« Reply #67 on: Thursday,June 13, 2024, 02:53:14 AM »
New ally LH tank arrived the next day from SJS. The 4 bolts holding it in place have to be changed from 1/4" UNF to 6mm metric. Otherwise it went straight in after the rear was jacked up high enough.

BUT

There has always been a smell of petrol in the garage which I attributed to me draining both tanks regularly to remove water.

When draining the RH tank, there was petrol all around the brass drain plug. I had fitted a new fabric washer when I last tightened the brass drain plug but still petrol was dripping very slowly from the area.

It turns out that there is a hairline crack where the ring the drain plug screws into. It seems by constantly undoing and tightening the drain plug, I have caused the ring the leak where it is presumably braised to the steel bottom of the tank.

Another new ally tank needed, this time for the RHS.   

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Re: Water in Fuel Tanks
« Reply #68 on: Thursday,June 13, 2024, 03:34:44 AM »
I wonder if the "turret" where the fuel gauge sender is located, is to allow a longer arm for the float.

I measured the arm which came out, and it was longer than the width of the tank, so I couldn't work out how it didn't hit the other side of the tank. Then it dawned on me just now that the sender is located in the power bulge turret.

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Re: Water in Fuel Tanks
« Reply #69 on: Thursday,June 13, 2024, 03:52:26 AM »
And those tanks are not cheap - I feel your pain.  :(

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Re: Water in Fuel Tanks
« Reply #70 on: Monday,June 24, 2024, 02:18:12 AM »
If you ever get water in a tank and you are using 40 DCOE Webers (or may also relate to Dell'Ortos), the water does not just end up in the float chamber accessible by undoing the 5 screws and wing nut on the circular cover plate.

I had drained all the water out of the float chamber using a syringe and kitchen roll to mob up the corners. But I had fuel not getting to #2 cylinder which was misfiring over 3,500 rpm.

Thanks to Elanman39 who diagnosed a blockage, I took the right hand DCOE off and took out the 4 brass tubes with the jets in, shook it upside down over a large plastic container to get all the fuel out, and a quantity of water came out as well. It had been sitting in the bottom of the DCOE under the float chamber and somehow this water was starving #2 cylinder of fuel over 3500 rpm. Quite why it was not having the same effect on #1 cylinder I cannot explain as I believe both are fed from the same float chamber and the chamber below (which would be accesses by turning the carb upside down and unscrewing the 4 screws and removing the 1" square cover plate).

Just to make sure all the holes and tubes were clear, I blasted compressed air down all the holes, and now the engine seems to pull cleanly all the way up, but I cannot check how far, as my tacho won't read above 4,000 rpm for some strange reason. £95 to have it repaired.

When I took it out in mid-Norfolk yesterday there was a classic sports car run going the other way, 4 Morgans in convoy, an AC Cobra, Austin Healey Sprite (Frogeye), MGB, Lotus Elan and others passed, so much waving of mutual respect while passing.

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Re: Water in Fuel Tanks
« Reply #71 on: Monday,June 24, 2024, 03:11:00 AM »
When I took it out in mid-Norfolk yesterday there was a classic sports car run going the other way, 4 Morgans in convoy, an AC Cobra, Austin Healey Sprite (Frogeye), MGB, Lotus Elan and others passed, so much waving of mutual respect while passing.

Interesting regarding the water in the carb.
For someone who is 71/72 years old I am impressed you could remember the makes of 5 passing cars - I would have remembered the first car and then..... at 71... err ...... not so sure about the rest  :FUNNY: