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Offline Richard48Y

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What are we missing, what should I make on a VMC?
« on: Sunday,May 12, 2024, 10:39:00 PM »
In another week I will know if I am going to have the funding to buy a smallish very low hours VMC.
That is a computer driven vertical mill for anyone not familiar.
I have owned these before, I used to make a lot of firearms parts and accessories.
It is being a real stretch to make the purchase and I know from experience that tooling up will be expensive too.
Need to find some products to make that folk will actually want to buy ASAP to begin the recoup.
Not sure what those might be, looking for suggestions.
For myself I am unhappy with the available air boxes and despise plastic.
Thinking aluminum base and fiberglass cover.
The machine can carve aluminum very well, steel runs too, just slower.
Not large enough to do a dashboard and wood is not good for the machine.
Once I get back in the groove roller rockers become a possibility, if I can find raw material to work with.
A lot of things can be done as billet, so long as the material does not cost too much.
Material cost and availability are now major issues for small time guys who did not pre-order in bulk some time ago.
No fourth axis on this machine and I am not competent to program 4D anyway.
4D and even 5D could be added but the tools for that cost much more than this machine.

There are virtually no decent jobs locally, and it seems what few there are practice age discrimination.
So the goal is to build up a side income and provide items no one else are doing.
Does not have to be Lotus bits, just not interested in going toe to toe with the Ford/Chevy/China companies.
Not intending to go back to eighty hour weeks, only need to about double my income.   :FUNNY::headbanger:

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Re: What are we missing, what should I make on a VMC?
« Reply #1 on: Monday,May 13, 2024, 06:49:50 AM »
Good luck, Richard!

The only thing that comes to mind for a product is aluminum alternator drive pulleys for TCs. A guy used to make nice ones but he’s not making them anymore. Of course, you want to make those on a lathe rather than a mill…

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Re: What are we missing, what should I make on a VMC?
« Reply #2 on: Monday,May 13, 2024, 07:45:20 AM »
It would be great to have a real experienced machinist on the forum. One item high on my to do list is to fabricate another production run of high balance intake manifolds if I get the time. I'm sure there will be other suggestions from owners. Also don't forget to offer your products on the "Products, Parts and Products on the sub-forum. Good luck on this endeavor.

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Re: What are we missing, what should I make on a VMC?
« Reply #3 on: Monday,May 13, 2024, 08:57:26 AM »
Let's not forget about our own Chuck Nukem. He seems to be gearing up for some interesting things too!

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Re: What are we missing, what should I make on a VMC?
« Reply #4 on: Monday,May 13, 2024, 02:51:28 PM »
In another week I will know if I am going to have the funding to buy a smallish very low hours VMC.
That is a computer driven vertical mill for anyone not familiar.
I have owned these before, I used to make a lot of firearms parts and accessories.
It is being a real stretch to make the purchase and I know from experience that tooling up will be expensive too.
Need to find some products to make that folk will actually want to buy ASAP to begin the recoup.
Not sure what those might be, looking for suggestions.
For myself I am unhappy with the available air boxes and despise plastic.
Thinking aluminum base and fiberglass cover.
The machine can carve aluminum very well, steel runs too, just slower.
Not large enough to do a dashboard and wood is not good for the machine.
Once I get back in the groove roller rockers become a possibility, if I can find raw material to work with.
A lot of things can be done as billet, so long as the material does not cost too much.
Material cost and availability are now major issues for small time guys who did not pre-order in bulk some time ago.
No fourth axis on this machine and I am not competent to program 4D anyway.
4D and even 5D could be added but the tools for that cost much more than this machine.

There are virtually no decent jobs locally, and it seems what few there are practice age discrimination.
So the goal is to build up a side income and provide items no one else are doing.
Does not have to be Lotus bits, just not interested in going toe to toe with the Ford/Chevy/China companies.
Not intending to go back to eighty hour weeks, only need to about double my income.   :FUNNY::headbanger:

 Richard,
 Nowadays I cant blame you for double.
 I have a full console and binnacle and a alternater bracket swap for a 100 amp ( SBC) chevy. One wire. That may require a shunt.
   I met two Northrup Gruman machinist down here lately, one with a complete shop. I've been staying out of TC items but soon I'll be looking for something else to do in my retired life.
 LOL , I think I completed my wife's To-Do list, but this drought is killing me. Hoping for some rain in 2 hours.
 Pics later
D'Man
 

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Re: What are we missing, what should I make on a VMC?
« Reply #5 on: Monday,May 13, 2024, 04:13:04 PM »
Good luck, Richard!

The only thing that comes to mind for a product is aluminum alternator drive pulleys for TCs. A guy used to make nice ones but he’s not making them anymore. Of course, you want to make those on a lathe rather than a mill…

Hmm, I do have a 13" lathe, just not CNC.

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Re: What are we missing, what should I make on a VMC?
« Reply #6 on: Monday,May 13, 2024, 08:14:58 PM »
New billet MC's that fit!
No, I suppose not, in todays litigious world. (Dammit!)

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Re: What are we missing, what should I make on a VMC?
« Reply #7 on: Monday,May 13, 2024, 08:23:58 PM »
Yeah, I think it would be safer to make alternator drive pulleys!

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Re: What are we missing, what should I make on a VMC?
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday,May 14, 2024, 11:33:46 AM »
Looking at older threads it seems there may still be interest in upgraded uprights.
They could be made as billet but the material cost would be very high.
Alternately permanent molds could be made to produce patterns for casting.
But again, too many ambulance chasers in the US?

What about these?
FI Body to intake adapters.
Engine to transmission adapters.
Good air filter assemblies.
Weber reinforcement plates.

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Re: What are we missing, what should I make on a VMC?
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday,May 14, 2024, 12:07:36 PM »
Those are good ideas Richard!
The more I do the more I find I need to do....remember your ABC’s …anything but chinesium!

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Re: What are we missing, what should I make on a VMC?
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday,May 14, 2024, 02:23:45 PM »
Richard, how you at overall metal working, welding, sheet metal fabrication, brazing? I'm thinking possibly modular seat frames or TC engine cradles.

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Re: What are we missing, what should I make on a VMC?
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday,May 14, 2024, 03:10:10 PM »
I second Grumblebuns' high balance intake manifolds.

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Re: What are we missing, what should I make on a VMC?
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday,May 14, 2024, 05:25:05 PM »
I've collected all sort of welders, I would get prettier welds if I did it more often.
I have a nice tube bender and dies in several sizes.
I have access to sheet metal brakes but not a shear.
If the tired seats show up on Sunday my plan was to repair them, good practice parts.
This is all tooling I have now!
Do we have a drawing, pic, or sample to look at?

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Re: What are we missing, what should I make on a VMC?
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday,May 15, 2024, 03:52:58 PM »

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Re: What are we missing, what should I make on a VMC?
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday,May 15, 2024, 04:50:02 PM »
Looks simple enough at first glance.
I will have to check on material.

Had another idea for the VMC.
Just bought two sets of the plastic surrounds for the front marker lights.
They will work but the edges are narrower than the original and it is still flimsy plastic.
An aluminum set would last almost forever.  :)
Also thinking of aluminum defrost grills, no more warping in the sun.
Oh, and a buddy is trying to convince me to get a large 3D Printer/Laser/Mill combo unit.
From what I see the printer works well, the laser only cuts paper - thin wood, and the mill function is a toy.
But he says he has items he will pay me to supply him, so maybe.  :confused: