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Offline Richard48Y

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Re: The revival of 650143R, 1970 with TS.
« Reply #615 on: Tuesday,November 28, 2023, 06:17:38 PM »
At this point it is "In for a penny, in for a pound".
Unless finished to a very high standard I will remain deeply "under-water" on the car.
So long as I am still able to drive that does not matter much, but when I become too feeble it would be nice to pay off the house.
So I have to restrain myself from getting too crazy in order to keep the value up for a larger pool of buyers. 
But this is a "Bucket list" item I must build to my satisfaction too.

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Re: The revival of 650143R, 1970 with TS.
« Reply #616 on: Tuesday,November 28, 2023, 07:21:38 PM »
It’s good that you have a plan. For some of us here, the calculation for how long we’ll be able to get in and out of our cars is a serious issue. Then we need to have a plan for what to do with it after that.

Get ‘em built and drive ‘em while you can!

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Re: The revival of 650143R, 1970 with TS.
« Reply #617 on: Wednesday,November 29, 2023, 06:00:24 AM »
It’s good that you have a plan. For some of us here, the calculation for how long we’ll be able to get in and out of our cars is a serious issue. Then we need to have a plan for what to do with it after that.

Get ‘em built and drive ‘em while you can!

Amen.  It certainly is a little different technique in 2023 than it was in 1981
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Re: The revival of 650143R, 1970 with TS.
« Reply #618 on: Wednesday,November 29, 2023, 08:44:22 AM »
It’s good that you have a plan. For some of us here, the calculation for how long we’ll be able to get in and out of our cars is a serious issue. Then we need to have a plan for what to do with it after that.

Get ‘em built and drive ‘em while you can!

Amen.  It certainly is a little different technique in 2023 than it was in 1981
Indeed! I have certainly noticed the procedure involves more grunts and groans than it did ten years ago.
The Twin Cam plays the symphony whilst my right foot conducts the orchestra. At 3800 rpm the Mad Pipe Organ joins in.

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Re: The revival of 650143R, 1970 with TS.
« Reply #619 on: Wednesday,November 29, 2023, 09:31:18 AM »
This issue came home to me when I met Lloyd Cayes. He used to write a technical articles about the Europa in Lotus Ltd.'s publication, "ReMarque" entitled "Semi-Colin." He shocked me by telling me he was going to sell his immaculate Europa. How could maybe the "ultimate" Lotus owner sell is beautiful baby? He told me he was having trouble getting in and out of it. At that time, that possibility, not to mention eventuality, had not occurred to me!



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Re: The revival of 650143R, 1970 with TS.
« Reply #620 on: Wednesday,November 29, 2023, 10:31:50 AM »
A couple years ago a fellow showed up at my door, saying he had an old Europa from his youth stashed in a barn. He was thinking of getting it running, and, since I had a Europa, asked if I might have a look to see how much work this might involve. He was a big man in his late seventies or eighties, and hadn't been in a Europa since he parked his in the barn in 1979. I popped over and had a look, driving my own Europa. His is a '72 Twin Cam stored in a wet barn, and the snow tires still fitted were a testament to the frame condition. The car needed a restoration, and he was keen to dump some money in it so that he may recapture a little of his misspent youth. I was willing to help, but I very much doubted he would be comfortable in a Europa, if he could even get in it. I hated to break this news to him, so instead, I offered him a ride in mine. He had much difficulty getting in the passenger side, and probably wouldn't have fit behind the wheel. We went for a long enough drive for him to realise his own reality check. I haven't seen him since, and I guess that Twin Cam is still in that barn.

As a side note, I noticed the car still had the original, infamous plastic fuel Tee between the carbs. I said "this is the first thing to change before trying to fire it up", and as I grasped it lightly with my thumb and finger, it crumbled into a dozen pieces.
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Re: The revival of 650143R, 1970 with TS.
« Reply #621 on: Wednesday,November 29, 2023, 10:41:25 AM »
At 5'10" I fit fine so long as my weight is under control.
Winter is harder and the Yo-Yo dieting is not good.
So I will get very serious about that when the car is near to running.
I was told over a decade ago that I would be in a wheel chair in three years due to an old back injury.
I've fooled the doctors so far but some days are not good, I've decided that time is now more precious than money.
So I scrape up funds as needed and just pay whatever it takes.
Very intent on driving it in 2024 even if it is still in primer.

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Re: The revival of 650143R, 1970 with TS.
« Reply #622 on: Friday,December 01, 2023, 11:26:52 AM »
Paid off the head rebuild today, may get it back around the end of next week.
Rebuilt rockers and shaft are to be here on Monday.
Ordered some "Jet Lube MSO2" spray, figuring it cannot hurt for lifter faces, cam lobes, rocker tips, distributor drive, etc.

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Re: The revival of 650143R, 1970 with TS.
« Reply #623 on: Sunday,December 03, 2023, 06:51:33 PM »
Must be the holiday season, got my rebuilt rockers today.
Sent them here, http://www.rockerarms.com
Disassembled, cleaned, stress relieved, honed, tips reground and hardened, rocker shafts center-less ground and hard chromed.
No bronze bushing as the rockers are so thin.
I would like to have just bought new but they are impossible.
With the recent work these should be superior to original.
Roller rockers would be nice but unless I get another CNC mill to make them myself there is just not enough demand to bring cost into the realm of reason.

Not certain if I will retain the factory spacer springs or replace them with custom aluminum spacers.
Still waiting for the head to come back.


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Re: The revival of 650143R, 1970 with TS.
« Reply #624 on: Sunday,December 03, 2023, 11:32:48 PM »
Just made my third attempt at getting CORRECT leather shaft seals for Weber DCOE's.
Coming from the UK and I hope the pics are accurate.
What I got from US sources are far too thick and do not fit over the shaft.

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Re: The revival of 650143R, 1970 with TS.
« Reply #625 on: Monday,December 04, 2023, 07:18:50 AM »
I’ve gotten my leather seals from Pierce Manifolds (https://www.piercemanifolds.com/default.asp) and had no problems with them. Keith Franck, who runs https://vintagetechnologygarage.groups.io/g/sidedraft/topics and probably knows more about DCOEs than anyone, suggests soaking the leather in mink oil before installing them. You might try that.

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Re: The revival of 650143R, 1970 with TS.
« Reply #626 on: Thursday,December 07, 2023, 04:39:23 PM »
Paid the $151.54 balance on the head work today.
So $851.54 total including port work and shipping.  :o
Add in the price of the valves, guides, springs, rocker shaft assembly rebuild, and this is a very expensive head.
Salv Sacco stated that I should be a bit over 130 HP with this build, that was before the port work.
From here I may be trying a couple more tricks for increased longevity but the horsepower race is over.
Pics once the head arrives next week.
Yep, I think I will be adding a rev-limiter.

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Re: The revival of 650143R, 1970 with TS.
« Reply #627 on: Saturday,December 09, 2023, 04:56:29 PM »
Cold but dry and sunny day, so used up the rest of the blasting soda I had.
If shipping was not so bad I think I would sell both of the bodies I have and just buy a new one from Banks.
Getting the old paint, bondo®, and bad prior repairs off is only the beginning.  :headbanger:

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Re: The revival of 650143R, 1970 with TS.
« Reply #628 on: Sunday,December 10, 2023, 08:20:13 AM »
   What's the fun in that?
    I left a few of the PO'S repairs only to see the horrors arise after painting. I can't argue the fact, your thinking is correct.
   Take it slow and think of it as meditation. LOL sand, prime , repeat, then sand paint repeat ,.. then sand, polish, repeat
  your, your worst critic. make concessions.
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Re: The revival of 650143R, 1970 with TS.
« Reply #629 on: Sunday,December 10, 2023, 10:42:19 AM »
"Concessions" are just impossible for me.
The flaws would shine in my eyes like a spotlight every time I look at the car.
I can get it done right, just dismayed at the time it will take.
Going to inquire again about shipping cost, never got an answer last time.
Tired of "Working on" my cars, want to DRIVE them.