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Re: The revival of 650143R, 1971 with TS.
« Reply #60 on: Friday,December 18, 2020, 11:13:12 AM »
Yep, there is a lot of work to be done. I have no idea what that strap is for. What is it connected to on the upper end?

Are you planning on starting a body-off or is it going to be a rolling restoration?

Good luck!

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Re: The revival of 650143R, 1971 with TS.
« Reply #61 on: Friday,December 18, 2020, 11:24:24 AM »
Unfortunately it seems body-off will actually be simpler in the long run.
The Europa may be the worst possible car for me to have bought in some ways as I have back issues that make it fairly difficult to work on with such limited access and sitting so low.
Even with the body off I intend to set the chassis on stands so that I may do a lot of work while sitting down, or at least not having to stoop.

Surprisingly I do not have a lot of trouble getting in or out of it.

The straps on the rear are there to limit axle droop while flying up mountain roads.
Car is equipped with adjustable coil-over shocks.
The straps seem an obvious good idea so I thought they might be a stock item.

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Re: The revival of 650143R, 1971 with TS.
« Reply #62 on: Sunday,December 20, 2020, 07:31:27 PM »
Just as I feared and expected.
No. 4 low compression is due to bad rings.
Sitting so long it probably acquired some condensation in the cylinder.
Apparently Montana is not so dry a state as I always thought it to be.
I was not pleased when the seller told me, "I put a hot battery in and it cranked right over".  :headbanger:
I always treat the cylinders of any car that has sat to some Marvel Mystery Oil for at least twenty-four hours before trying to turn it over.
I hope it is just stuck rings but fear pitting in the cylinder.
Fearing piston damage even more.

I determined this using my antique (All the best tools are antique!)  ;) SUN leak-down tester.
50% leakage. No air coming out of the Weber, none from the exhaust, remove the oil fill cap, hisssssss.
I did not test the other cylinders, I already know I have to rebuild it.

So there is my punishment for commenting on the Foose build.   :deadhorse:

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Re: The revival of 650143R, 1971 with TS.
« Reply #63 on: Sunday,December 20, 2020, 08:08:36 PM »
Bummer. You might want to take a look at the cylinder with an endoscope first, but at 50% leakage on even a cold engine, you're right. A build is in your future.

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Re: The revival of 650143R, 1971 with TS.
« Reply #64 on: Sunday,December 20, 2020, 09:15:21 PM »
I do have a Bore-Scope with camera that might let me get something of a look but it loses focus unless right next to the area being observed. With the deep reach needed for the TS head I doubt I could get any focus.
For now I am only trying to acquire missing components while leaving the car intact.
I have too many others scattered about in pieces.

When my home loan finally comes through I will be putting up a building large tent* and concrete floor to work in at home.
Not my ideal but I look forward to not having to drive into town in order to work on my cars.

*Modern Hi-Tech type that will laster longer than I will.
MUCH less expense and hassle than any building.

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Re: The revival of 650143R, 1971 with TS.
« Reply #65 on: Sunday,January 10, 2021, 06:47:59 PM »
Loan is signed, funds in my account Tuesday!
Spending more than I should for the new shop build, but rent has been taking too much of my funding and the loan payments will be less.
With the new shop up I get to be genuinely "Retired" at last.
Hoping for about fifty - sixty hours a week building cars. ;)

First priority has to be building a Kit Car I will sell, need to produce more income than SS provides.
Second is to put something together as a daily driver. Alfa Spider or Spitfire, hard to decide which should go first.

Lotus has to be a third part-time project as it is never to be sold.

Been looking at at it, from a mechanical view it is hardly more complex than the Spitfire.
But the body, oh boy, the body! Despite no apparent significant past damage the body looks to be more than 50% of the work.
All emblems and lettering have been removed, I feel no compulsion to replace them.
Light blue is one of the easier colors to make look good and I like it so that is what it will be.
The blue also retains the look it had during its minor competition history.

Engine does not scare me. I will be buying the alignment dowels this week.
Do need to fabricate a coupling for the axles so that it remains a roller, if there is demand I may make more than one.
What I probably need to learn most at this point is how to set-up the axle/diff play correctly.






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Re: The revival of 650143R, 1971 with TS.
« Reply #66 on: Sunday,January 10, 2021, 07:18:14 PM »
The body and paint work will likely be the biggest part of your build - assuming you don’t have serious electrical issues. As you noted, the car is very simple.

If you do your own paint, that will save A LOT of money.

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Re: The revival of 650143R, 1971 with TS.
« Reply #67 on: Sunday,January 10, 2021, 07:46:18 PM »
Yes, must do my own paint as shop prices are just nuts now.
If the CCP Virus has not put a stop to it there used to be a paint booth available for rent not too far away.
Just what I need for the final spray.

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Re: The revival of 650143R, 1971 with TS.
« Reply #68 on: Sunday,January 10, 2021, 08:01:31 PM »
If you have access to a paint booth, that makes a big difference!

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Re: The revival of 650143R, 1971 with TS.
« Reply #69 on: Friday,January 15, 2021, 08:59:00 AM »
Minor progress being better than none, I bought a Soda Blaster.
Need to get down to bare 'Glass and days of sanding is just out of the question.
I've heard many conflicting reports on using Soda, but this IS for Fiberglass so many of the claimed issues will not apply.
With the new shop up I will be working from home and feel that Soda will be less noticeable to the Neighbors/County than sand would have been.
Unfortunate that I will not get to use it for a couple of months.

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Re: The revival of 650143R, 1971 with TS.
« Reply #70 on: Friday,January 15, 2021, 09:02:36 AM »
I've heard some negative things about soda blasting a fiberglass body. You might want to do a search on this forum or ask around before you go that route.

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Re: The revival of 650143R, 1971 with TS.
« Reply #71 on: Friday,January 15, 2021, 10:56:24 AM »
Sadly the 'Net seems to be a land of "Experts" who have no first hand experience.
Too much indirect rumor based on third (or fifty!) hand accounts.
So the only way to know for certain is to do my own experiments.
Since Soda is used commercially I expect that a lot of the reported issues come down to proper final prep, washing, applying sealer, etc.
I will do my research and experiment before going over the entire car.

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Re: The revival of 650143R, 1971 with TS.
« Reply #72 on: Friday,January 15, 2021, 06:08:35 PM »
Old 'Vette's are pretty high end these days.
Article on soda blasting for fiberglass that seems a bit more detailed than many are. http://www.superchevy.com/how-to/vemp-1103-soda-blasting#/

Another detailed article, https://www.theblastmasters.com/FAQs.html

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Re: The revival of 650143R, 1971 with TS.
« Reply #73 on: Friday,January 15, 2021, 06:37:20 PM »
I don’t have any experience with soda blasting or Corvettes.

Here are a few links that comment on soda blasting:
http://www.lotuseuropa.org/LotusForum/index.php?topic=497.msg9498#msg9498
http://www.lotuseuropa.org/LotusForum/index.php?topic=1120.msg11644#msg11644
http://www.lotuseuropa.org/LotusForum/index.php?topic=3212.msg32462#msg32462
http://www.lotuseuropa.org/LotusForum/index.php?topic=1528.msg13858#msg13858

That is not to say it can’t be done. I think I did read about somebody who had a good experience but I can’t find it offhand.

As for the differences between the fiberglass on a Corvette and a Europa, I think Corvette fiberglass is a lot thicker at least. I don’t know about gel coat on a Corvette. I can’t say if that makes a difference when soda blasting but I suspect that they probably require different techniques.

Like I say, it may be the best thing since sliced bread, I only encourage you to do your homework and make an informed decision.

I only hope that whatever you do, you have the results you want.

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Re: The revival of 650143R, 1971 with TS.
« Reply #74 on: Friday,January 15, 2021, 06:43:29 PM »
From the articles I linked it seems Vett's do not have a gel-coat.

This may be key.

"We recommend a chemical called HoldTight 102, which when used properly will remove all Salts, Chlorides and Contaminates on the metal. 
Even though pressure washing with clean water works fine to remove the baking soda residue, we recommend the use of this chemical due to the added benefits.  HoldTight 102 will give a window of 48 to 96 hours without flash rusting. 

Also when used properly it can increase the adhesion of your coatings by as much a 70%.  HoldTight 102 changes the surface tension of the water allowing it to flush out areas that normal pressure washing MAY not get into"