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Offline 4173R

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Recommissioning of 4173R
« on: Tuesday,August 20, 2019, 05:59:23 PM »
Hi everyone. I'm starting a thread on the recommissioning of 4173R.

Below are pictures of the car that I took upon delivery.

At the moment I don't know if I will do a frame off restoration. My immediate goal is to get this vehicle's interior clean and the drive train mechanically sound and operational.

The vehicle has been sitting in storage for 3 years. Status of the engine is unknown. The body seems sound and original. The paint is blistering. The interior looks original and is dirty. The driver seat needs reupholstering. The dash is in good condition. The tires are new. The wheels have been clear coated but are not original. The Stromberg carbs have been refurbished. The doors are not hanging and the seals (both window and door) seem very tight. Status of electrical and instrumentation is unknown. 

I have never owned an Europa. I have driven a few.

I look forward to the advice and wisdom the members of this forum can provide as I proceed on this journey.

Regards,
Jack


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Re: Recommissioning of 4173R
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday,August 20, 2019, 09:16:45 PM »
 :Welcome:

Great group of guys here with really good advice. I couldn't have gotten my frame off restoration done without all the “over my shoulder” help I got.

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Re: Recommissioning of 4173R
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday,August 20, 2019, 09:35:17 PM »
I think it'll be a good platform for a very nice car!

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Re: Recommissioning of 4173R
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday,August 21, 2019, 05:47:26 AM »
 :Welcome:

 I would definitely postpone the frame off until you detect areas that may need more work or customizing to your liking.  Have fun driving the car . At least for awhile . You can even drive it while doing some bodywork.
 While I am doing a frame off , I don’t have any idea how this car handles or it’s power. So I may have to redo items already completed.
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Re: Recommissioning of 4173R
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday,August 21, 2019, 06:11:05 AM »
Thanks guys!

Glen: I have read all 77 pages of your epic journey WOW! Congratulations on the completion of your Europa. What an accomplishment. There are many great tips embedded here. And the assistance from the community was awesome.

Dakazman: Thanks for the suggestion.  I plan to enjoy driving the car for awhile before jumping into the unknown.

BDA: I appreciate the comment. It does seem solid with all the pieces in place.

This is a rather timely article on interior cleaning that appeared in the August 19 Road and Track. Here's the link.
https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/classic-cars/a28748833/ammo-nyc-cleans-car-sitting-for-37-years-video/?source=nl&utm_source=nl_rdt&utm_medium=email&date=082019&src=nl&utm_campaign=17825357


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Re: Recommissioning of 4173R
« Reply #5 on: Monday,September 02, 2019, 06:36:48 PM »
This past weekend I went back up to MD to assess the state of 4173R and to bring it back home.

The assessment was held Saturday. Phil, Chris, Jeff, and Norm from the DC Lotus Club came over and we looked over the car. First thing that was tackled was the engine to see if it was seized. Earlier in the week Phil added oil to the cylinders. Upon removing the cam cover, we were all a bit shocked. The cams looked like they were brand new. Evidently someone had done some work to the heads and cams. We were all pleasantly surprised and waited to verify that the engine would turn. We put it in gear and rolled it on the trailer to get the engine to turn. Sure enough, oil popped out of the spark plug holes. Subsequently we were able to locate TDC, and attempted to confirm the witness marks were visible. Couldn't see the witness marks. Trying to turn the engine with the alternator pulley bolt was unsuccessful.

Pictures below reveal that the engine compartment is "bare", save for the engine, transmission, battery, brake boosters, coil, distributor, fuel tanksand a few odds and ends. Wiring seems to be intact. I have the carbs, which were refurbished. L/H fuel tank may need to be replaced due to rust on the top of the tank.

Went to the interior and was able to confirm that the steering wheel lock and key mechanism was missing. Solved the key issue. Also confirmed that the car has a logic box in the upper left of the dashboard. That will be addressed. There are a few dangling wires under the dash that will need to be addressed.  The center piece of the seats are in fairly good shape though will likely be reupholstered. Most of the carpet is in good shape with the exception of the carpets on the floor which will need to be replaced.  Dashboard is in great shape. Ashtray is missing the spring.

Cooling system is original both fan and radiator. Since much of the system in the back end is open, the system will need to be flushed to remove any debris.

There is a new brake master cylinder that will need to be investigated further, as will the entire brake system.

Left rear wheel is a bit off, though the assembly seems new and should be easily fixed (hopefully).

I have begun building a parts list, and looking at prices from the various well known vendors.

I drove back Sunday. Nice day for a drive. The car has been offloaded from the trailer and moved into the garage in preparation of work. Not only do I need to procure parts to repair the car, but also "shop equipment" to work on the car. LOL

There is evidence that this vehicle was in the process of being fixed with the clean cams, new rear suspension pieces, and the new master brake cylinder. To what extent remains to be seen.

My first objective is to bring the engine to life - starter, alternator, carbs, exhaust, steering lock/ignition switch, etc.

And so the journey begins.

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Re: Recommissioning of 4173R
« Reply #6 on: Monday,September 02, 2019, 07:21:36 PM »
She sounds like a good platform. Having a dashboard in great shape is a big plus! You'll need new shocks, the left rear seems to be missing its lower bushing but there's plenty of time to worry about that. I think your priorities are pretty good.

Keep us informed of your progress!

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Re: Recommissioning of 4173R
« Reply #7 on: Monday,September 02, 2019, 08:27:19 PM »
"Trying to turn the engine with the alternator pulley bolt was unsuccessful."

Don't!  It's more serious on a Renault (where the cam shears) but it's still a bad idea on a twink as well.  Put it in gear and push it to turn the engine, or, get a wrench on the front pulley from below.

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Re: Recommissioning of 4173R
« Reply #8 on: Monday,September 02, 2019, 11:48:32 PM »
or, get a wrench on the front pulley from below.

If you use this method, make sure you are tightening the pulley bolt, and not loosening it. So rotate it clockwise when viewed from the front.

You will need the car on 4 axle stands or 4 ramps  to get underneath to do this. Use a long breaker bar to get enough torque to turn the engine. Once the engine has turned a bit, you may be able to turn it over using a ratchet on the socket, but you will need the longest bar you have to get it started.

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Re: Recommissioning of 4173R
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday,September 04, 2019, 12:35:48 PM »
Thanks JB & 4129R for the recommendation to NOT turn the camshaft with the bolt. I'll remember that for any future efforts to turn the engine.

I neglected to thank Phil, Chris, Norm, and Jeff for their assessment efforts. Thanks guys! They were extremely knowledgeable and helpful. I gained alot of knowledge from them. A dinner of pizza at Ledo's was also enjoyable.  A special thanks goes out to Phil who let me keep the car in his garage for 2 weeks and loaned me the use of this trailer to move the car home.  Truly a great friend.

Since I am missing many parts, I am finding that I need recommendations on some things to purchase. One such item is spark plug wires and spark plugs. Much has changed in the intervening years, and my knowledge in this area is lacking. I am told NGK and Champion are good selections, but searching online I don't seem to find/confirm bulk wire, connections, and caps in the major (Autozone, Pep Boys, etc) parts supply houses from those manufacturers, especially ones with resistors (for use with the radio). Recommendations are greatly appreciated.

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Re: Recommissioning of 4173R
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday,September 04, 2019, 02:19:22 PM »
I recommend you replace your points/condenser with a Pertronix ignition. They recommend resistance wires. When I realized that, I made is simple and bought a Pertronix wire set (https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B000JUT7Q4/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o09_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1). You'll have to adapt them to your TC. Amazon has all that.

As for plugs, I use NGK. I've heard that Champion aren't that good. I've also heard some say they don't like NGK! So far, I've had no problems with my NGKs. I use BKR6EIX. We don't have the same engine but I think we take the same plug. As long as the thread reach is good for you, my plugs should work. They may be a little cold for you but I doubt it. I've posted an NGK plug number chart.

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Re: Recommissioning of 4173R
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday,September 04, 2019, 02:47:57 PM »
I use a 123 Ignitions electronic ignition. It is bluetooth and all the timing curve adjustments are made from a cell phone app.  You can raise or lower the the curve on the fly while driving.  I have several curves stored depending on application.  I use Brisk LGS Premium Racing spark plugs.  They are semi-surface discharge type and were designed in conjunction with Lamborghini. They're more expensive but they work great.

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Re: Recommissioning of 4173R
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday,September 04, 2019, 04:00:23 PM »
Nothing wrong with the iridium NGK plugs.

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Re: Recommissioning of 4173R
« Reply #13 on: Friday,September 06, 2019, 11:16:53 AM »
BDA - 1.5 Ohm Coil or 3.0 Ohm coil, or other? If I recall correctly, didn't Certified have a coil issue?

Madness - Thanks for the info. That looks very interesting. I'll consider it if this turns into a car I race.

Here's some info on spark plugs I found during research. The baseline plug was an N7Y.

N7Y -> N7YC -> BP7ES/BPR7ES
Champion                NGK   

N7YC Specs:
Thread Diameter: 14mm
Threadreach: 19mm
Hexsize: 21mm

BP7ES & BPR7ES Specs:
Thread Diameter: 14MM
Threadreach: 19mm
Hexsize: 21mm

BKR6EIX
Thread Diameter: 14MM
Threadreach: 19mm
Hexsize: 16mm

https://www.sparkplug-crossreference.com/convert/CHAMP_PN/N7YC

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Re: Recommissioning of 4173R
« Reply #14 on: Friday,September 06, 2019, 11:37:17 AM »
Certified had a coil problem because he left his ignition on too long. I have a 3.0 ohm coil. I think that's the one you need but somebody here can advise.

The BP7 is probably going to be too cold for you. It was for me. The NGK 6 heat range is better.