WTB 336 Transmission amd TC bellhousing

[Rmvr53]

Thanks BDA - yes the center diagram is what my new chassis has. So I'm looking for a 352 then...

[BDA]

You're welcome, Bill.

Somebody will have to tell you why the two different rear hoops for the same tranny. I suspect that the attachment is all that is different (i.e. when you use the top hoop with a 352, you have a mounting plate similar to a 365 and when you have the hoop with ears, it requires a different mount). Did you say you have a Spyder frame? If so or if you're doing a frame off, it would be a great time to choose an NG3. They are more current so parts are available and they are 5 speed.

This is all I was able to find about the 352 mounting plate. The one in the picture below looks like it would be used with the top hoop (that is also used for the 365). I don't know how it mounts to rear hoop with ears.

[Rmvr53]

its not a spyder - its a "home made" replica of a stock chassis made up by a couple of friends for his car restoration that never happened. The chassis ended up on the wall in his shop (almost 20 years ago). If there is a down-side to the chassis it weighs about 75-100 pounds more than a stock chassis. Buts its really stiff. Since the car is going to be a vintage racer, I have to stay "stock" on most components. Even my original idea of a Kent engine wont be acceptable so I'm going to have to find a correct Renault engine for a 71 S2.

 

[BDA]

75 - 100 lbs heavier than stock is a lot! It had better be stiff!

If you have to stay "stock", then you'll need to find a 336 tranny since two versions of that are all I see listed for the S2 in the parts manual (336.46 and 336.56). Just so you know, the parts manual also shows ears going up on the frame.

[Rmvr53]

they forgot to add "lightness"...

[BDA]

Yes, Chunky would not be pleased!

[Rmvr53]

ears do go up on the frame that is in the car but the new chassis they go down. Items such as tranny, brakes, even the engine and etc can be different from original so long as they are of original period and manufacture. In this case, since Renault was the original manufacturer I can run the 352 as opposed to the 336. 1972 SCCA PCS specifies the engine manufacturer and displacement but not the transmission. Just the clutch disk diameter, ratios and number of gears.

[BDA]

Thanks for the clarification. It reminds me about a guy who raced a TC when I raced back in the dark ages. The TC was in the same class as 240Zs (and later, the 260Zs and 280Zs). He felt the deck was stacked against him (so did I, Jensen Motors successful car notwithstanding) and he lobbied to be allowed to use the BDA head (16 valve twincam Ford motor built on a Kent block like the TC) since it was essentially the next iteration of the TC. Of course he was turned down for at least one good reason - there was never a Europa from the factory with a BDA motor! I guess he had to try!

[Rmvr53]

I just re-read the PCS and indeed it doesn't specify the manufacturer. So in theory I could run a Hewland 4 speed but it is probably one of those rules that if it doesn't specifically say you can, then you can't....

[BDA]

As I said, it's been a LONG time, but I think I remember that if something wasn't prohibited, it's allowed. It might be something worth getting a ruling on that.

[460384]

Bill,

I am restoring a 67 S1A Europa and thinking about putting in a 1600 x-flow push rod Kent engine.  Did you do any measurement to see if it fits?  I have a spare 711M Kent engine in shop so I can use it if it works.  I think the S1 and S2 frames are very similar.  Do you have a spare stock S2 frame that you are not going to use?  My S1 frame has rust in many places and a replacement will be needed. By the way, Come up and see my Europa project in Fort Collins.