Anyone recognize the engine?

[jbcollier]

Trying to source and fit a Renault 5 Turbo engine would be like trying to source and fit one of the Ferrari racing 4s from the 50s.  Yes, it could be done but...

Minor comments on the show.  Don't know any French builders?  Gordini? Alpine? (Alpine built the R5 Turbos).  OHC?  Don't think so.  Push rod, just like a crossflow.

[gideon]

Surf - maybe it would fit, or maybe it wouldn't, but the Europa came with the lighter Cléon-Alu engine.  Fonte means cast iron, in this context.  I guess the R5 got the Fonte engine because it was a cheap car, while the R16, R17 etc. got the Alu engine because they were more expensive.  I reckon the Fuego turbo engine would be a better swap for a Renault engined Europa.

[BDA]

Not to say that all motors would be the same in this regard, but the door I made gives adequate access to change the timing belt and water pump belt. I believe the people with Zetecs also have a front mounted alternator.

[surfguitar58]

All good points regarding the R5 Turbo engine. My only thought was that it is longitudinally mounted petit middy and mashed impossibly close to a forward firewall, just like our cars. 158 HP seems like a lot of output for a street oriented 1400 cc.
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[jbcollier]

158 hp is the de-tuned street version.  Fit a bigger turbo, injectors, etc and 250 is easily achievable.  The R5 cast iron block can run way more boost than the alloy block turbos.  This engine is also the classic large-turbo, huge-power with huge-lag, 80s rally specials.  Handling characteristics change DRAMATICALLY when the boost kicks in.

[4129R]

Fooey, my hopes for the 3 cyl;inder Ford engine might be gone - looks like that is a transverse engine.

I'll only do a swap if it is relatively painless.  I was thinking V6, because there is lots of sideways space, so getting a V that is 3 cylinders long, rather than the in-line 4, would make the engine shorter, leaving room for the pulleys in front.  Same hope for the Ford 3 cylinder, but if it is transverse, it is a no-go.  I wonder if Ford would release a CAD file of the engine/transmission ...

Ford made a 3 litre V6 in the 70's which should meet your criteria and fit the bell housing. You would need a gearbox to cope with the power.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Capri

[gideon]

That's the Cologne V6 that has the same bellhousing pattern, not the Essex V6. Right?  And, if that's the case then the engines that Cosworth developed based on the Cologne V6 would also fit the same bellhousing? 

[4129R]

There was a later 2.8i V6 engine.

"The original Ford Cologne V6 is a series of 60° cast iron block V6 engines produced continuously by the Ford Motor Company in Cologne, Germany, since 1965. Along with the British Ford Essex V6 engine and the U.S. Buick V6 and GMC Truck V6, these were among the first mass-produced V6 engines in the world."

I think the 3.0 was the Essex engine built in Dagenham. 

[shootingsight]

Mazda had a K engine that was a 1.8L V6, though it looks to be transverse.

I want to dig in to a rotary.  It would be nice if I could find CAD models.  I can measure up the frame and build it in CAD, and we could see what fits.

[RoddyMac]

The Mazda K series has been converted to longitudinal mounting.  There's a gal in the UK called Clare who made up the conversion parts (www.crapengineering.weebly.com), she might be able to provide the bellhousing bolt pattern, you might then be able to get the Renault pattern from John Pels and marry the two patterns to create an adapter plate. 

But, why stick with the 1.8, why not grab a 2.5L from a Probe or MX6?

[JR73]

Just for information, I have seen the majority of the engines mentioned in this thread fitted into Europas at Banks!
There was an S2 with a Fuego turbo engine - this conversion had been done when Fuego's where still in production so it had been installed for quite some time when I first saw it.
Variety of V6 engines including Vauxhall, Alfa Romeo and the 2.5 Mazda - The Mazda was (from memory) also fitted in Fords such as the Mondeo (suspect that the bell housing bolt pattern could actually be Ford spacing?) - never saw that particular project complete/running as the customer took the almost rolling chassis away to finish themselves...
Mazda Rotary engine - yes it fits but you may be looking at alternative (expensive!) transaxles as the power increases.

There were many other different engines fitted, most originally mounted transversely but this can usually be overcome fairly easily - chances are someone has already done it somewhere?!

Only reason for mentioning all of the above is that Richard has already been there and done the head scratching, which might also mean that he may be able to save some of you the hassle and even supply parts such as adaptor plates etc.... I saw him a few weeks ago for the first time in about 10 years and he looked well and is still doing the same thing - building Europas.