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Offline TurboFource

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Turning radius
« on: Tuesday,January 14, 2020, 12:50:54 PM »
When Certified took me for a spin in his gorgeous Twin Cam, he mentioned the large turning radius of the Europa.
Why is it so large on a car this small? Does the body restrict the turning radius or the suspension/steering?
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Re: Turning radius
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday,January 14, 2020, 02:31:34 PM »
Most early Lotuses have a large turning circle.  Chapman and Co designed cars with stiff chassises and soft(ish) suspension that require precision driving to get the best out of them.  Chapman in particular didn't like tight turning radiuses which were a reflection of the ill handling, loose chassis, stiff suspension past.  It wasn't until a rally driver showed him how useful a generous lock could be that that Lotus decreased their turning radiuses.  Off hand, I can't remember the name of the driver.

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Re: Turning radius
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday,January 14, 2020, 02:32:39 PM »
On the Europa in particular, the turning circle is limited by the fenders on the outside and the a-arms on the inside.

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Re: Turning radius
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday,January 14, 2020, 04:29:17 PM »
I believe that's the reason. The Europa and the Spitfire share the same steering rack for the most part but the Europa has a spacer that restricts how far you can turn the wheels.

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Re: Turning radius
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday,January 14, 2020, 11:17:14 PM »
I've wondered the same thing, both the Spitfire & Herald share similar components (I think there's a ratio difference but otherwise the same basic rack) and have much tighter turning radii, so why did he fit rack stops to reduce this ?

The Elan is similar in having lock stops fitted to reduce the steering lock and as John says, this is probably down to bodywork and soft suspension. If you were using a tighter lock at slow speed, for example when parking, then there's no great problem on the TC because under no load there's clearance between the top of the tyre and the front wheel arch. Even with my car being fractionally lowered I think I'd get away with it.

The problem with the Elan as standard, and I suspect the S1/S2 (and possibly TC) Europa is when you go full lock and get suspension travel, for example turning sharply onto a ramp, etc. Then you can hit the wheel arch on the Elan quite easily because there's a lot of travel, enough to catch the body if the wheel is on a very tight lock.

One thing I haven't bothered to check out but which may also be a contributing factor is the method of mounting the anti-roll bar. On the Spitfire it's mounted via a drop link to the front lower arm whereas ours goes onto the bottom of the damper. Perhaps this reduces clearance ? I don't know but it's another difference between the donor cars and the Lotus which might be important.