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FS/WTB: Europa Parts and Stuff / Re: WTB Late TC parts
« Last post by BDA on Thursday,November 21, 2024, 04:07:39 PM »
Are you hoping to get all those used or would you like sources for those parts? Also do you have fabricating skills or access to such skills?
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FS/WTB: Europa Parts and Stuff / WTB Late TC parts
« Last post by vcb on Thursday,November 21, 2024, 02:21:58 PM »
Purchased 2 Basket case TC's: Need lots of parts. Throttle Pedal assy, Defroster Nozzles and Bezels, Left tail light, license plate light, Front bumper, Windshield corner trim pieces, Windshield, Sun Visors, Center Console, Glove box, Blower, Heater (cable door type), TC Carpet set, Door hardware and rods, Window motors, Windshield Wiper parts, Exterior side lights, one front indicator light. Both 1/4 light door windows, Chassis closing plate – front. Padded trim piece at the bottom edge of the dash. More as the build goes on.
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Garage / Re: S1 Rocker SNAFU
« Last post by Nockenwelle on Thursday,November 21, 2024, 01:28:51 PM »
I checked the car of my brother (#460161) and to my surprise it had the same kind of reinforcement plate installed as #460234. The Europa S1 never fails to surprise me.
From the picture it is obvious that the plate acts as a reinforcement and not to cover an access hole. The body seam is also clearly visible. Could be that the plate has been fitted by the dealer or importer. My car #460230 has no traces of that plate.
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Events / Ragtops "Before we put 'em away run"
« Last post by 2766R on Thursday,November 21, 2024, 12:51:00 PM »
I wasn't sure I would be able to make it this year but everything finally fell into place.  It was quite enjoyable last year, perfect weather, spirited driving on nice secondary roads, many vintage sports cars, and a light breakfast and light lunch back at the shop. Oh, and the shop; all kinds of interesting motors!  I should also mention a great bunch of people!!  Can't wait :)
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Garage / Re: Dangerous to life split pins
« Last post by Bainford on Thursday,November 21, 2024, 08:33:05 AM »
Thanks much Brian and Gavin. Things are very much clearer. I see that my earlier thinking was not so much flawed, as it was the imagining of incorrect values to some of the force loads, and not giving enough credit to the lever action of the shape & orientation of the upright. This is an issue that has been gnawing at me for several years now. I'm going to sleep much better tonight. Cheers.
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Garage / Re: Dangerous to life split pins
« Last post by GavinT on Thursday,November 21, 2024, 06:27:23 AM »

But the minute you raise the wheel about half inch, the axle butts up nicely against the gearbox.
So unless you go over a hump at speed and your car gets sufficient "air" then the axle will be in compression.

Or, to look at it another way, if the dampers were ~ half an inch shorter, there would be no situation where the yokes would escape the gearbox output shafts.
Dunno the answer, but did the stock dampers permit this at full droop?

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I do still wonder though if any of the driving forces might be sufficient to overcome the set up and momentarily apply tension force to the axle and thus stress the pins.

These are 50 year old cars.
I wouldn't be surprised to find a few thou of rotational play in the yokes - that'd do it, methinks.
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Garage / Re: Dangerous to life split pins
« Last post by EuropaTC on Thursday,November 21, 2024, 01:20:02 AM »
I do still wonder though if any of the driving forces might be sufficient to overcome the set up and momentarily apply tension force to the axle and thus stress the pins.
Unless you lift the wheel I don't think you will move the driveshaft into tension and even then, the load won't be a great deal.  But you've had an obvious failure on a pin and apart from not being fully shimmed in place I am struggling to work out a mechanism.

I'm not convinced it's a poor quality part, these things are in shear and I would guess that plain mild steel bar would do the job because the drive is supposed to be transmitted by splines, not the pin.

So I go back to shimming. Mine is so tight that I have to really drive the pins in and getting them out is equally tough. If yours drove out relatively easily then I'd add a bit more shimming.

The other, very blue sky thinking idea, was if it was possible to go from a very high compressive load to much lower stress and the cycling effect was enough to initiate a fatigue failure. That's very close to your proposal but I'm struggling with that one because you've always got some compressive stress. 

But if you are driving fast enough to lift wheels on our potholed roads, you deserve a medal alongside a free set of super high tensile steel pins !
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Garage / Re: Dangerous to life split pins
« Last post by Sparkrite on Thursday,November 21, 2024, 12:57:05 AM »
I have now seen for myself. With the car jacked up and the suspension at full extension and the slot pins removed there is in fact tension on the axle as it separates from the gearbox by a quarter inch or so. But the minute you raise the wheel about half inch, the axle butts up nicely against the gearbox.
So unless you go over a hump at speed and your car gets sufficient "air" then the axle will be in compression.
I do still wonder though if any of the driving forces might be sufficient to overcome the set up and momentarily apply tension force to the axle and thus stress the pins.
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Garage / Re: Dangerous to life split pins
« Last post by GavinT on Thursday,November 21, 2024, 12:22:18 AM »
Yep.
The fundamental forces in play in my super simple pic are gravity (red arrow) and the reaction from the spring (green arrow) – Isaac Newton's third law.
The core principal of the upright's function is that the spring acts on a lower pivot point and, thus, aways maintains a leverage advantage.

My slide-rule is in for service but someone smarter than me could calculate the leverage effect.
As a side note, the spring is laid over somewhat, so the actual spring force at the lower pivot will be something less.

So, if Colin walked into his engineers office with this upright, how would they stop it from rotating clockwise?
It's getting on for summer here, but to avoid a cold backside in the Northern hemisphere, I'd sacrifice a cornflakes packet to some cardboard aided design.
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Garage / Re: S1 demister outlets
« Last post by AC460234 on Wednesday,November 20, 2024, 01:29:53 PM »
I believe Rainer created a file to 3D print these on Thingyverse, search Lotus Europa
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