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Title: Output shaft shim size
Post by: RafM on Tuesday,June 07, 2022, 04:35:53 AM

Would anyone know know the correct size for these shims.

I don't have any to measure but looking at the gearbox I think 35 o/d with a 25mm hole will work.

The usual suppliers stock shims but they sell them individually at high cost, I can buy 10 for the cost
of a single and would rather get a good supply of different thicknesses to use as required.

Thanks.

Title: Re: Output shaft shim size
Post by: jbcollier on Tuesday,June 07, 2022, 06:29:53 AM
I have a spare transaxle lying around and the output shaft is 25.4mm-ish (it's a bit dirty) in diameter.  The outside diameter of the half shaft yoke is 36.3mm-ish (it's a casting).  So either 1" ID and 1 7/16" OD or 26mm ID and 36mm OD.
Title: Re: Output shaft shim size
Post by: RafM on Tuesday,June 07, 2022, 06:37:40 AM

Thanks JB, I'll re-check the measurement I made on my output shaft, looks like 26 id - 35/35 o/d will work fine.
Title: Re: Output shaft shim size
Post by: califkid_66 on Tuesday,June 07, 2022, 02:25:49 PM
would you happen to know approximately how many shims per side i have a little bit of loose and i want to order shims and roll pins but at 2.50 per shim plus shipping witch is really  expensive it would be nice to know
i dont want to dismantle before having the parts
thanks
Title: Re: Output shaft shim size
Post by: Kendo on Tuesday,June 07, 2022, 03:18:44 PM
Your existing shims should be in good shape. So measure the slop and order shims to fill it, intending to use the existing ones as well?
Title: Re: Output shaft shim size
Post by: califkid_66 on Tuesday,June 07, 2022, 03:39:31 PM
how would you go about mesuring
cause the only option i see is to take it apart and add shims until it’s a thight fit for the roll pins is there a way to stick in a feeler gage
Title: Re: Output shaft shim size
Post by: Kendo on Tuesday,June 07, 2022, 03:44:31 PM
Hold a dial indicator on the yoke, then move it in-out and see how much it moves?
Title: Re: Output shaft shim size
Post by: EuropaTC on Tuesday,June 07, 2022, 10:40:39 PM
would you happen to know approximately how many shims per side i have a little bit of loose and i want to order shims and roll pins but at 2.50 per shim plus shipping witch is really  expensive it would be nice to know
i dont want to dismantle before having the parts
thanks
I understand that, I don't like ripping a car apart until I've got everything ready to fix it. 

But on buying shims, I bought mine from an industrial supplier and they were relatively cheap, nothing like 2.50 each. If you do a search for something like "shim washer" you should find a local supplier. They are nothing special, a common engineering component. I vaguely remember I bought the minimum order of 10 (?) in 0.005" & 0.010" sizes and I wouldn't have done that at 2.50 each !

Brian
Title: Re: Output shaft shim size
Post by: RafM on Wednesday,June 08, 2022, 03:52:24 AM

I had no shims to measure up in the first place. After measuring up the output shaft and getting some advice
here I settled on 37mm o/d & 26mm i/d shims.

I have purchased 30 shims in various thickness from this place, the cost was £14.00, including shipping, around 45p each;

https://springfasteners.co.uk/product-category/shimsupport-washers-din-988/

There will be many similar suppliers in the US, just have a search for circular, carbon steel shim washers.
Title: Re: Output shaft shim size
Post by: Sparkrite on Wednesday,June 08, 2022, 04:09:25 AM
Im also needing some shims but my question is does it matter if they are steel,carbon steel,high quality steel or stainless steel., all as I have seen advertised. btw I was going for 25 x 35 size as I dont think the 1/2mm loss on the outer edge is a big deal.
Title: Re: Output shaft shim size
Post by: jbcollier on Wednesday,June 08, 2022, 05:18:50 AM
25mm ID is too small.
Title: Re: Output shaft shim size
Post by: califkid_66 on Wednesday,June 08, 2022, 06:28:46 AM
would 37 outside be to big
cause they have 25-36 or 26-37
Title: Re: Output shaft shim size
Post by: RafM on Wednesday,June 08, 2022, 06:33:39 AM

Ideally I would have chosen 26 - 36 if they were available, but having measured where the oil seal sits the 37 should fit, if not it's very easy to take a little off the outside.

When they arrive I'll post up with the results.
Title: Re: Output shaft shim size
Post by: jbcollier on Wednesday,June 08, 2022, 07:27:32 AM
You're going to buy 150?!
Title: Re: Output shaft shim size
Post by: califkid_66 on Wednesday,June 08, 2022, 09:19:48 AM
no !! was just checking  i dont need that much
Title: Re: Output shaft shim size
Post by: Fotog on Wednesday,June 08, 2022, 10:49:07 AM
I just measured some that I have, from RD Enterprises.
25.4 I.D., 35 O.D.
Vince
Title: Re: Output shaft shim size
Post by: jbcollier on Wednesday,June 08, 2022, 12:32:18 PM
Spot on.

It's a 1" ID and an 1 3/8" OD
Title: Re: Output shaft shim size
Post by: califkid_66 on Thursday,June 09, 2022, 11:57:38 AM
they are not so hard to find to bad it’s not the same for roll pins
Title: Re: Output shaft shim size
Post by: Bryan Boyle on Thursday,June 09, 2022, 12:42:03 PM
they are not so hard to find to bad it’s not the same for roll pins

outer is 7mm x 35mm
inner is 4mm x 35mm

outer placed with closed end towards transaxle, inner opposite.
Title: Re: Output shaft shim size
Post by: califkid_66 on Thursday,June 09, 2022, 01:36:43 PM
i have a s2 federal so in imperial it’s the dimensions JB wrote
what do mean by outer and inner ?
the only shims i knew about were the one close to the transmission to adjust so it doesn’t move when  roll pins are put in
am i missing something
Title: Re: Output shaft shim size
Post by: SilverBeast on Thursday,June 09, 2022, 01:55:50 PM
i have a s2 federal so in imperial it’s the dimensions JB wrote
what do mean by outer and inner ?
the only shims i knew about were the one close to the transmission to adjust so it doesn’t move when  roll pins are put in
am i missing something

I think Brian was talking about the roll pins, not the shins, in response to calfkids comment above
Title: Re: Output shaft shim size
Post by: califkid_66 on Thursday,June 09, 2022, 02:15:36 PM
ok thanks for clarifying i was a bit confused
makes sense so now we have all the measurements we need!!
Title: Re: Output shaft shim size
Post by: RafM on Saturday,June 11, 2022, 08:01:04 AM

The 37mm o/d - 26mm i/d shims I ordered have arrived, they are a perfect fit.

Title: Re: Output shaft shim size
Post by: jbcollier on Saturday,June 11, 2022, 08:30:09 AM
Good news.