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Title: Lotus at the Olympics.
Post by: GavinT on Monday,August 02, 2021, 09:21:01 AM
While the world is in the Olympic spirit, here's an article on Team GB and their tricky Lotus x Hope HB.T carbon fibre track bikes.

A replacement chain is a snip at only £450.00 . . .

https://www.cyclingnews.com/features/a-closer-look-at-the-lotus-x-hope-hbt-team-gbs-radical-track-bike-at-the-tokyo-olympics/?fbclid=IwAR3rMXvsd5Iyjk2CQg_jc5cdJFwlEJhWgTlExd7lnQwir74ZtJYk5jxlYl0
Title: Re: Lotus at the Olympics.
Post by: EuropaTC on Monday,August 02, 2021, 09:32:36 AM
It doesn't look much like something you'd nip to the shops on, does it ?

I'm a Chris Boardman fan and in one of his books he talked about the Lotus involvement in his Olympic medals years ago. Apparently the bikes were true Lotus, they kept breaking !

Brian
Title: Re: Lotus at the Olympics.
Post by: 4129R on Monday,August 02, 2021, 09:35:40 AM
It seems the Lotus bike does not break at the handlebars unlike the Australian Argon 18 bike which fractured. Luckily the rider was the 4th, so was not run over by anyone behind.

A crash at 70km/h must have shaken the rider up a bit. 
Title: Re: Lotus at the Olympics.
Post by: BDA on Monday,August 02, 2021, 09:37:41 AM
Interesting bike, GavinT! That's not the only Olympic bicycle Lotus made. at a Lotus Ltd. Lotus Owners Gathering a few years ago, a previous Lotus Olympic bicycle was displayed. Unfortunately, if I took a picture of it, I can't find it. So I did a search for "Lotus Olympic Bicycle" and while they are not all for the Olympics, I was surprised at all the bicycles Lotus has made!
Title: Re: Lotus at the Olympics.
Post by: EuropaTC on Monday,August 02, 2021, 12:56:43 PM
Interesting bike, GavinT! That's not the only Olympic bicycle Lotus made. at a Lotus Ltd. Lotus Owners Gathering a few years ago, a previous Lotus Olympic bicycle was displayed. Unfortunately, if I took a picture of it, I can't find it. So I did a search for "Lotus Olympic Bicycle" and while they are not all for the Olympics, I was surprised at all the bicycles Lotus has made!
You're right BDA, in the 90s Lotus had an involvement with Mike Burrows in the development of the bike that Chris won his Olympic title with. After the Olympics there were a few bikes produced, I remember seeing a second hand one for sale in a bike shop in Halifax, close to where we lived at the time. It was kitted out as a time trial bike rather than the track version Boardman rode. I was hooked by the Lotus connection but decided the bike just wasn't practical for me at the time. (it still wouldn't be practical, but now I'd probably buy it anyway)

Loads of stuff on Youtube about Mike Burrows, definitely one of those "characters". This is the Olympic story though

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FK4i3aKHtSA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FK4i3aKHtSA)
Title: Re: Lotus at the Olympics.
Post by: BDA on Monday,August 02, 2021, 01:12:40 PM
Searching youtube for him, I found this video where he gives his opinions about the new GB bike: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOURDA8ItIk
Title: Re: Lotus at the Olympics.
Post by: EuropaTC on Monday,August 02, 2021, 01:49:28 PM
Just watched it, yep, that's definitely Mike Burrows ! 

If you ever wanted a poster boy for the "Eccentric Englishman Inventor" working away in his shed, then Mike fits the bill. I must admit, I like the guy and his attitude although I've no doubt he'll rub someone up the wrong way.

Graham Obree, a Scot, had similar oddball ideas about bikes although his weren't quite so scientific. Obree made his own frames just to fit him and apparently when he built one for the World Hour Record attempt he used a washing machine bearing on the cranks because that's what he had around at the time. 

There's a pattern emerging here about crazy British cyclists....  :)

Brian
Title: Re: Lotus at the Olympics.
Post by: BDA on Monday,August 02, 2021, 02:32:56 PM
The first Lotus Olympic bicycle started a lot of talk as I remember. Being eccentric is sometimes a good thing!
Title: Re: Lotus at the Olympics.
Post by: GavinT on Tuesday,August 03, 2021, 04:36:10 AM
Couple of bingles.

Team GB Womens team pursuit come a cropper.

Australian track rider Alexander Porter crashed after the handlebars broke on his Argon 18 Electron Pro.

So it appears the Oz Electron Pro bike is more fragile than the Lotus.
Or, considered another way, the Lotus is obviously too heavy!  ;D
Title: Re: Lotus at the Olympics.
Post by: 4129R on Tuesday,August 03, 2021, 05:38:54 AM
The Danish rider going straight in to the back of the GBR rider was amusing for everyone else. The Danish rider was head down looking at the red line on the track, and did not see the rear of the GBR Lotus bike.

The GBR Lotus bike was crash tested, and passed.

The Danish rider seemed to think it was the GBR riders fault !

It took hours for the officials to determine that the Danish team should not be disqualified for taking out the GBR rider. Apparently in the pursuit, if one team gets to within 1m of another team, the race finishes, so technically the race had finished before the collision occurred.

Just as well Mercedes and Red Bull are not involved in crash testing cycles ! 
Title: Re: Lotus at the Olympics.
Post by: BDA on Tuesday,August 03, 2021, 05:52:22 AM
Somehow it seems bizarre that a bicyclist would have a DNF.
Title: Re: Lotus at the Olympics.
Post by: 4129R on Tuesday,August 03, 2021, 06:00:49 AM
Somehow it seems bizarre that a bicyclist would have a DNF.

Quite a lot of crashes recently.

Punctures as well.
Title: Re: Lotus at the Olympics.
Post by: BDA on Tuesday,August 03, 2021, 06:03:16 AM
Crashes are one thing but it sounds like sometimes a bike doesn’t last the distance!
Title: Re: Lotus at the Olympics.
Post by: 4129R on Tuesday,August 03, 2021, 06:12:19 AM
Crashes are one thing but it sounds like sometimes a bike doesn’t last the distance!

When the handlebar stem breaks, you know you have taken lightness to the limit.

Those track bikes are built for aerodynamics and lightness, not durability.
Title: Re: Lotus at the Olympics.
Post by: BDA on Tuesday,August 03, 2021, 06:50:19 AM
Not knowing anything about track racing, I did some searches and it seems a long track race is 4000 meters. A bike may not last 2 1/2 miles! They really did add too much lightness!
Title: Re: Lotus at the Olympics.
Post by: GavinT on Friday,August 06, 2021, 08:36:07 PM
You can buy one if you like . . . about 25 thousand squid should get you going.
Title: Re: Lotus at the Olympics.
Post by: Richard48Y on Friday,August 06, 2021, 10:51:34 PM
Am I the only one who remembers when the Olympics were still "Amateur sports"?
Nothing amateur about todays euipment!
Title: Re: Lotus at the Olympics.
Post by: EuropaTC on Friday,August 06, 2021, 11:53:32 PM
Am I the only one who remembers when the Olympics were still "Amateur sports"?
Nothing amateur about todays euipment!
Nothing amateur about the riders either, or at least the UK ones.

/Rose tinted specs =ON

"I remember when......"  back in the late 60s I was racing and Beryl Burton was competing in UK time trials and internationally on the track.  IIRC it was common knowledge that she worked full time on a farm picking rhubarb (?) of all things.  They didn't have women's cycling in the Olympics back then but she regularly won internationals  and I remember her beating the best man in one national time trial.

She was definitely an amateur and basically worked during the day then sorted out her own training regime. I wouldn't be surprised if the local bike shop gave her the odd frame & tyres but despite her talent she never really cashed in.

/Rose Tinted specs = OFF

These days the competition is so strong that Beryl's approach wouldn't come anywhere near.  The UK track cyclists now have scientists looking at every aspect, very detailed diets/testing/training regimes and a heck of a lot of cash thrown at getting them onto that track.  I'm proud of the UK track cyclists and happily cheer them on because no amount of cash will substitute for their dedication, but you've got to admit they have help well beyond the amateur cyclist of even only 25yrs ago.

I'm not sure they benefit financially themselves (unless they turn pro and go for the big Tour wins, Wiggins et al)  although I'd expect them to make a comfortable living from a sport they love. And let's face it, no matter how good the bike you've still got to have the legs to turn the pedals faster than the opposition !
Title: Re: Lotus at the Olympics.
Post by: 4129R on Saturday,August 07, 2021, 05:03:51 AM
One gear and no brakes.

Imagine how expensive they would be with 15 gears and 2 brakes !