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Title: First start
Post by: Bart on Friday,February 28, 2020, 09:41:38 AM
I am going for a first start of the motor in the chassis this weekend, this is what I am thinking is the order of operations and I would appreciate any thoughts on anything I missed.

1.   Re-fill cooling system
2.   Check and tighten all oil fittings and hoses
3.   Check and tighten fuel lines
4.   Connect battery
5.   Make sure the gearbox is in neutral and as a second level of precaution have the rear up on stands.
6.   Remove plugs and turnover with no spark or fuel until I get oil pressure
7.   Check for leaks  and top off oil level
8.   Check for leaks and top off coolant
9.   Connect ignition and check spark
10.   Replace plugs
11.   Connect fuel pump
12.   Prime the carbs
13.   Set up the camera for the video and have a cup of tea
14.   Re-check everything
15.   Make sure my fire extinguisher is handy
16.   Go for first start.

This is a moment I’ve been working towards for some time so I hope it all works. Wish me luck!
Title: Re: First start
Post by: BDA on Friday,February 28, 2020, 09:56:54 AM
It sounds like you've covered all the bases! Can't wait to see it! Good luck!!
Title: Re: First start
Post by: Grumblebuns on Friday,February 28, 2020, 10:01:45 AM
Anyone have any thoughts on the benefits of packing the oil pump with Vaseline to reduce the time to get oil pressure indicated?

How do you pack the oil pump with Vaseline?
Title: Re: First start
Post by: dakazman on Friday,February 28, 2020, 12:27:31 PM
 Sounds good Bart , but I like a little nap midday and Lunch . 😂 Best of Luck!👍👍
 
Grumble, I read it all again looking for the Vaseline part , it gone now🤫

Dakazman
Title: Re: First start
Post by: jbcollier on Friday,February 28, 2020, 02:40:25 PM
Is there oil in the transaxle?
Title: Re: First start
Post by: Kendo on Friday,February 28, 2020, 04:12:44 PM
After removing the plugs, I squirt a little oil into each cylinder, assuming all of the oil has drained down in the mean time. Then I turn it over to get oil pressure.

Is that overkill?
Title: Re: First start
Post by: EuropaTC on Friday,February 28, 2020, 11:51:25 PM
After removing the plugs, I squirt a little oil into each cylinder, assuming all of the oil has drained down in the mean time. Then I turn it over to get oil pressure.

Is that overkill?
That's what I do if the car hasn't started for a long while. With no plugs wear for those first few turns should be minimal but I reckon a touch of oil around the piston rings can't hurt.

Joji - the only way I can see of packing the oil pump (on the TC) is by taking off the end plate to get access. Whenever I've replaced a pump I've filled it with heavy oil (EPxx) to give it a bit of a start but I've not bothered when the car comes out to play after winter.

Brian
Title: Re: First start
Post by: jbcollier on Saturday,February 29, 2020, 07:38:07 AM
Don't use gear oils in engines.  Some/most gear oils have sulphur compounds which attack the coatings on the rod, main and cam bearings.  Don't use regular grease either as the base component will get stuck in the oil filter reducing its service life significantly.

Vasoline/petroleum jelly is the best choice as it dissolves in oil, has no harsh additives, and has no base to gum things up.  You can also use Lubriplate 105 engine assembly grease as it behaves similarly.
Title: Re: First start
Post by: Bart on Saturday,February 29, 2020, 05:49:54 PM

Hi all,

Having followed my plan for first start, the moment finally arrived, the whole family gathered in the garage to see the fuel, ignition and finally the start switch turn on for the first time, totally unbelievable for me, after a couple of false starts she fired up and then just sat there burbling happily at idle and just like Frankenstein's monster it lives.
 
you can see the event here, apologies for my 5 year old's narration :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJLIGJXnMhs


I will sleep well and happy tonight.

Bart.

Title: Re: First start
Post by: Certified Lotus on Saturday,February 29, 2020, 06:04:00 PM
Congrats Bart! Very exciting to get the engine started for the first time.  :beerchug:
Title: Re: First start
Post by: BDA on Saturday,February 29, 2020, 07:55:49 PM
I'll bet that feels good, Bart! And you have a family video to mark the occasion!  :beerchug:

Congratulations!
Title: Re: First start
Post by: dakazman on Sunday,March 01, 2020, 04:31:18 AM
 
      :trophy:

   Nice video Bart! I gave you a thumbs up.👍 and, you gave me some inspiration.
Thanks,
Dakazman
 
Title: Re: First start
Post by: Bart on Sunday,March 01, 2020, 07:40:23 AM
Just a note of thanks to everyone who gave me advice and help in the process so far, I could not have got his far without you all.

Today I am going to sort a few leaks I found and add a rev counter and water temp to my makeshift dashboard so I can give it a bit of a longer run and get all the pressures up.

best,

Bart.
Title: Re: First start
Post by: surfguitar58 on Sunday,March 01, 2020, 02:05:33 PM
Congrats Bart!  :beerchug:

Looks like you are well on your way to creating the next generation of Lotus fanatics too!
Title: Re: First start
Post by: Bainford on Monday,March 02, 2020, 08:44:45 AM
Congrats, Bart  :beerchug: Well done.
Title: Re: First start
Post by: Sandyman on Tuesday,March 03, 2020, 03:01:29 PM
Well done Bart! :trophy: What a beautiful sound from an equally beautiful engine. Please post some pics of the engine.
Sandy
Title: Re: First start
Post by: Bart on Wednesday,March 04, 2020, 07:43:51 AM
Hi Sandyman,

Here are a few shots of the engine.

1. As is arrived from the builder
2. With the headers before coating
3. As it is now

Its a bit of a mess with all the temporary wires everywhere but I was really pleased it fired up so easily. I confess I am loving the exhaust note :)
Title: Re: First start
Post by: BDA on Wednesday,March 04, 2020, 09:08:57 AM
Pretty and congrats again for the first firing!  :beerchug:
Title: Re: First start
Post by: Sandyman on Wednesday,March 04, 2020, 02:51:12 PM
Thanks Bart. It is a thing of beauty! Cant wait for more.
Sandy
Title: Re: First start
Post by: 1970EuropaGuy on Wednesday,March 04, 2020, 06:03:05 PM
Well done. What a great looking build you have happening! :beerchug:
Title: Re: First start
Post by: Certified Lotus on Wednesday,March 04, 2020, 06:18:58 PM
Those headers are wild looking!
Title: Re: First start
Post by: Fotog on Thursday,March 05, 2020, 07:32:56 AM
Yes; looks nice.

I'm curious:  since Fed spec cars came with Stromberg carbs and the manifold is part of the head, does one get a European head in order to substitute Webers?  How does that work?

-Vince
Title: Re: First start
Post by: BDA on Thursday,March 05, 2020, 07:54:21 AM
I believe Elans, until the S4 Sprint, as well as the Lotus Cortina came with Webers so they might be a source as well as European Europas. There is a company in Washington state (I can't remember their name at the moment. I'm sure somebody will remind me.) converts Stromberg heads to a Weber head so that is an additional route to a Weber head. It ain't cheap but neither is a real Weber head.
Title: Re: First start
Post by: Bainford on Thursday,March 05, 2020, 08:35:16 AM
Yes; looks nice.

I'm curious:  since Fed spec cars came with Stromberg carbs and the manifold is part of the head, does one get a European head in order to substitute Webers?  How does that work?

-Vince
Yes. If you have Strombergs and want Webers, the common method of swapping is to change cylinder heads. Aside from casting changes to facilitate the type of carb, I believe the heads are identical.

I believe the place BDA is referring to is Omnitech Engineering, which can convert a Stromberg head to a weber head. They even claim that their conversion is superior to the standard Weber head, and provides better options for porting.
Title: Re: First start
Post by: jbcollier on Thursday,March 05, 2020, 09:06:31 AM
You can also fit flat-slide carbs to the Stromberg head.  When the throttle is wide open, there is basically just a wide open port with no restriction whatsoever.  They breathe way better than sidedrafts.
Title: Re: First start
Post by: BDA on Thursday,March 05, 2020, 09:10:42 AM
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I believe the place BDA is referring to is Omnitech Engineering, which can convert a Stromberg head to a weber head. They even claim that their conversion is superior to the standard Weber head, and provides better options for porting.

That's right, Bainford. That's who I thinking of. They claim that with the much shorter runners, it's much easier to control the grinder and thus more accurate when porting.
Title: Re: First start
Post by: Bart on Thursday,March 05, 2020, 09:28:34 AM
My Webber head is indeed a head converted by John McCoy at Omnitech. There is a video on Youtube of John explaining his process and thoughts on the subject.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PL0kcA2shRk