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Lotus Europa Forums => Garage => Topic started by: dakazman on Saturday,December 28, 2019, 03:36:49 PM
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While installing my badges I located the original holes on the right side however the left side were hidden. Here is how I went about transferring the location to the left.
Picture 1- On a 48 in long sheet taped to the right side sitting on the crease of the fender transferee the holes o the paper.
Picture 2- creased the forward edge into the door jamb, marked the 90 degree point.
Picture 3- shows location of holes on sheet
Picture 4- transfer sheet to left side, inversed, and taped in place with the crease mark in the same place as right and sitting on the crease in the fender.
Picture 5- Drilled holes and mounted badge.
Picture 6 /7 - dimensions to center line of holes.
Hope your still awake and hope it can help others in the future.
Dakazman
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Good work. It is amazing how fixated we can get on small details. But you know no one will ever be able to see both sides at the same time so comparisons are impossible.
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The devil is in the details Dave. Nice work !
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Hey Gary T , A guess that was the po’s thought when he put the fender flares on with a 2” difference for and aft. I had to cut off one side , it drove me crazy. To many years of mechanical drawing also.
The main reason is so others will have a good reference point for there build.
Dakazman
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Good work. It is amazing how fixated we can get on small details. But you know no one will ever be able to see both sides at the same time so comparisons are impossible.
Don't park in front of a window or mirror! Might drive everyone crazy.
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The difficult question is: "Does the S2 badge go on the right side or the left?" I believe it goes on the left but someone here will have a period photo.
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Bob you are absolutely correct . There is only 1 S2 badge on an S2 per the manual .
Live and learn. Items 29/30 and 31. On picture
Dakazman
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I found some period pictures of S2’s . The older advertisers pictures show an S2 badge on the right side . Other owners may have added them like myself. Another answer is maybe the tech writers had a bad day and didn’t get out of the office. The drawing only shows 1 because the engine over is covering the right side of the car.
Dakazman
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Maybe it is also possible that the decal was on the drivers side, so lefthanddrive on the left,
Righthanddrive on the right.
Mr Chapman was not only reducing weight but was also known as being cost avoiding.
Maybe that can be a reason using one badge, or they just had not enough badges?
Bert
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I found some period pictures of S2’s . The older advertisers pictures show an S2 badge on the right side . Other owners may have added them like myself. Another answer is maybe the tech writers had a bad day and didn’t get out of the office. The drawing only shows 1 because the engine over is covering the right side of the car.
Dakazman
But is that an S2 badge on the right? I've looked at a few old photos of. my car and the resolution isn't good enough to tell. The badge on the right side of my car--and I think it's on the correct side--says "World Champion Car Constructors" with the year in three laurel wreaths underneath: 1963, 1965 and 1968 in my case. It's the same shape as the S2 badge. I had the badges off for a respray in 1989. It's possible I put them back on the wrong sides but I'm more likely to have put them back the way they came off.
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I found another nice s2 with excellent quality pics showing two s2 badges . I’m keeping to just the s2 badge or badges.
Maybe we need a show of hands tech writers incorrect , or a original S2 owner to chime in .
Dakazman
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I would also like to see a definitive answer all the badges for my car are in a box.
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Gary, I took this topic to Instagram andirons has taken off.
The badges seem to have changed yearly. The championship 63/65 were on the left side also.
There is no documentation of any badge on the right side of vehicle.
The S2 showed up when the added 1970 world championship badge came out behind the drivers left window.
People all over are adding information , I’ll pass it on ASAP.
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OK, I've had my 1970-registered Type 54 from new. It was made in late 1969 and shipped to Canada in the spring of 1970. It's always had the S2 badge on one rear fender and the top "World Champion" badge shown in dazakman's post just above on the other. I think the S2 badge belongs on the left side but I can't be certain.
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Hi Bob,
Here is a screen shot of what 2 type 54 stated.
Dakazman
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Aha. Thanks dazakman. I must have put mine back on the wrong sides after the car was painted.
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On my LHD 1968 Europa S2 (540936) there is one badge and it is on the right side. No signs of a badge being mounted on the left side. No holes, no filler or anything.
The color of the car is the original color and no one have touched it since 1973 until I found it (or them, I bought two). So minimal time to make changes on it ;D
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Iahi, Thanks for the information, that is completely opposite of the manual.
Thanks for the information, the more S2 owners that inspect their cars the better .
And
:Welcome:
Since it’s a first we have talked.
Dakazman
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Well David,
My S2 body has holes on both sides for the S2 badges, (which I just bought 2 new ones)
But no holes for the grandprix decals.
But again, in those times they just used what they had .
When you start comparing Europa pictures you will find lots of differences in detailes, like mirrors , gages (some Lucas some Smith), seatbelts, etc.
Bert
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My main concern is to have a correct parts manual. I personally like 2each S2 badges only.
Every car I ever owned have their id’s on both sides. I like symmetry and the parts manual is not written like that. I have also seen pictures of S1 with world Champion badge on the right side.
Dakazman
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Glad to have found this as it saves me starting the same discussion.
I've been comparing 1970 S2's and pics prior to ordering new badges.
Seems some cars had one S2 badge, some two S2 badges, and some one S2 badge and one World Champions badge.
No S2's appear to have used the long rectangular championship badge, but a 1970 version is offered. :confused:
The body I will be using already has the holes on both sides.
I think I will do the set, S2 and Champions.