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Title: Lettering
Post by: johnmi on Sunday,December 16, 2018, 11:25:52 AM
I have looked at photos and some seem like they are mounted differently, so does anyone know the spacing for the letters on the boot and the S2 logo on the rear wheel arches. All my locating holes were filled when it was resprayed.

John
Title: Re: Lettering
Post by: HelpMyLotus on Sunday,December 16, 2018, 12:07:27 PM
If i have learned one thing from British auto assembly plants; it's that whatever you like is what you get.  The S on my Cooper is slanted. I've been told it's factory but there is no rhyme or reason.  Based on the value of Europas, I'd do what YOU like. 



Title: Re: Lettering
Post by: 4129R on Sunday,December 16, 2018, 12:08:43 PM
Centres of the 5 letters are 190mm apart.
Title: Re: Lettering
Post by: dakazman on Sunday,December 16, 2018, 12:39:19 PM
Hi John ,
 Do a search on lotus lettering or search dakazman , I just recently gave out those dimensions.
The s2 emblem is approximately 6 inches down and centered 9 inches forward from back of panel in that same plane. You may be able to see the filler material on the engine compartment side just aft of the wheel well which is where to anchor go.

Found it
ber 25, 2018, 12:19:15 PM »
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 I have a 1970 S2?. My mount holes for the rear lid are all at 1 3/4 down from forward lip.
The T is centered directly above the lock assembly. 
The L top mount hole is 3 5/8 from edge
The o top mount hole is 11 3/8 from edge.
The T should be at 19 inches and confirm centerline.
The U is 26 5/8
The S is 34 inches with 3 3/4 remaining to other edge.

The bottom mount hole are not direct below top except for the T.

Dakazman
Title: Re: Lettering
Post by: johnmi on Monday,December 17, 2018, 01:37:19 AM
Wow, thanks for that info, my plan is to draw the holes in autocad and tape the template to the boot lid, but now i will need to measure the offset of the holes on the L,U & S as there is not much room for error. Keep me informed on the manifold i can chase them from here. Have a good Christmas.

John
Title: Re: Lettering
Post by: Runningwild on Monday,December 17, 2018, 04:41:37 AM
What size are the holes for the LOTUS letters.  I have the retaining clips from RD ent.  They are 3/32” but should the holes in the body be the same.  Mine are filled with paint.    Tom
Title: Re: Lettering
Post by: dakazman on Monday,December 17, 2018, 06:21:11 AM
Hi Tom,
  Do you have the individual letters ? Match the drill bit to the stud size, you should be good to go.
Dave
Dakazman
Title: Re: Lettering
Post by: 4129R on Monday,December 17, 2018, 10:52:37 AM
The letters should be a press fit into plastic cups set in holes in the fibreglass. These are available from Banks and are about 4mm in diameter.

They are "condom" shaped.
Title: Re: Lettering
Post by: 1970EuropaGuy on Monday,December 17, 2018, 11:18:51 AM
Hi John,
I used the measurements that Dave has kindly provided and it looks good. I did get a small amount of paint chipping so drill carefully.
Title: Re: Lettering
Post by: BDA on Monday,December 17, 2018, 11:24:52 AM
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I did get a small amount of paint chipping so drill carefully.

I doubt you got more chipping that the factory did on many of the cars.

Congratulations on a job well done!  :beerchug:
Title: Re: Lettering
Post by: 1970EuropaGuy on Monday,December 17, 2018, 11:58:19 AM
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I did get a small amount of paint chipping so drill carefully.

I doubt you got more chipping that the factory did on many of the cars.

Congratulations on a job well done!  :beerchug:
Good point! :beerchug:
Title: Re: Lettering
Post by: johnmi on Monday,December 17, 2018, 12:11:57 PM
Mhmm, I was going to drill a 2 mm hole and put a star washer on the locating pin after I had tried my template on a sheet of plywood, so maybe I will masking tape first to try and stop the paint chipping. Wife is still in therapy after finding out the cost of the respray.
Title: Re: Lettering
Post by: 4129R on Monday,December 17, 2018, 01:09:06 PM
My resprays are costing around £6300 + VAT.

They take them back to complete bare fibreglass, all paint off.

Ex Lotus employees in Norfolk.

They are currently on #6 for me.

They do everything, inside and out.
Title: Re: Lettering
Post by: dakazman on Monday,December 17, 2018, 02:14:54 PM
If you use a dremmel with a needle grinder tip thru the tape it will minimize chipping of paint.
Not a drill bit.
Title: Re: Lettering
Post by: Certified Lotus on Monday,December 17, 2018, 08:03:47 PM
My resprays are costing around £6300 + VAT.

They take them back to complete bare fibreglass, all paint off.

Ex Lotus employees in Norfolk.

They are currently on #6 for me.

They do everything, inside and out.

That is almost half the price of what it costs in the US.
Title: Re: Lettering
Post by: BDA on Monday,December 17, 2018, 08:12:32 PM
It's been about twenty years since I had my car painted. I gave the paint shop a completely stripped (no paint at all) body. I covered the doors, boot, and bonnet with a single layer of veil (I wish I had done more and covered more of the body) and sanded it pretty flat down to 600 grit. I don't remember how long they kept it but it was at least six weeks (not at all bad considering Certified's experience). The shop used Glasurit polyurethane  and I think it cost about US$6000. I think 6000 pounds today would be a huge bargain! Maybe Alex is getting a quantity discount!  :)
Title: Re: Lettering
Post by: 4129R on Tuesday,December 18, 2018, 12:11:38 AM
My resprays are costing around £6300 + VAT.

They take them back to complete bare fibreglass, all paint off.

Ex Lotus employees in Norfolk.

They are currently on #6 for me.

They do everything, inside and out.

That is almost half the price of what it costs in the US.

Ouch !!!

So you are paying north of $12,000 for a decent paint job ?
Title: Re: Lettering
Post by: johnmi on Tuesday,December 18, 2018, 01:19:42 AM
It cost me £4300 cash, but i removed all the old paint, to be fair he gave me a quote and he stuck to it. did a fantastic job very pleased. I am wondering if i have bought the correct letters. think i will take a photo and post it for comment.

john
 
Title: Re: Lettering
Post by: Certified Lotus on Tuesday,December 18, 2018, 03:35:07 AM
Alex, I am north of $12K and the body is not yet finish coated. That being said, my body shop is one of the best available and the attention to detail is very high. Plus I had some custom fiberglass work done.
Title: Re: Lettering
Post by: dakazman on Tuesday,December 18, 2018, 05:09:21 AM
Certified and Alex ,
      I just broke thru the 1000 hours of working on it and going for another 200
with this final coat of clear. My wife really wants a gold stripe on it followed by more clear. I want to pull my hair out now.
Dakazman
Title: Re: Lettering
Post by: 4129R on Wednesday,December 19, 2018, 10:44:29 AM
Thank you for cheering me up.

I thought £6,300 was a "full" price.

They charge themselves out at £40 an hour, so take £300 off for materials, and they are in a 150 hours for a total strip, repair, and spray.

I feel better now.

Their work is better than the factory original.
Title: Re: Lettering
Post by: Certified Lotus on Wednesday,December 19, 2018, 12:03:40 PM
Might pay for me to ship fiberglass bodies overseas and have your shop do the work and ship back. Amazing as it seems it would actually be cheaper. Go figure.
Title: Re: Lettering
Post by: EuropaTC on Wednesday,December 19, 2018, 01:46:53 PM
I'll cheer you up even more then Alex, I know folks who have paid north of £8k for a respray on an Elan and that's not the +2 version but the 2 seater.

That's a much smaller car in terms of panel work and I'd reckon it's at least a week quicker for me to prepare and spray the Elan than the Europa. There's a lot of area to prep on the Europa and it's all relatively thin fibreglass so you can't rush it. 

I'd expect to spend somewhere around £500 on materials/consumables, topcoat alone is probably £200-£300 depending on what you want. So £6k or thereabouts sounds a pretty good deal to me, especially as you have "the proper guys" doing the work.

Brian