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Lotus Europa Forums => Garage => Topic started by: StrawberryCheesecake on Friday,April 01, 2016, 12:49:46 AM
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I've found a scrapyard in The Midlands that seems to have a couple of NG3 gearboxes from early Espace models.
I'm going up for a look after work today. Think he's has one from a 2.0 petrol and one from a 3.0 petrol. There may be more as well.
Any guidance on what to look for, other than the tag on the back of the casing, and play in the output shafts?
If you're after a gearbox then please let me know and I'll see what else he's got. He's asking £150 over the phone, which neither seems expensive nor a massive bargain.
Any bits that I need to make sure I get with it - e.g. Linkage end, clutch bits?
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£150 sounds a bargain to me, in fact at that price I'm very tempted to buy one "just in case". I'd get as many parts as you can walk away with myself, if nothing else it gives you an idea of how it was designed to go together.
Brian
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Told him 'It's for a kit car I'm building' :-)
I was thinking of offering him £250 for a pair of them.
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Mike,
I'd be interested in one at that sort of price as a spare in case my 5 speed causes problems
Dave
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Fair enough- if they turn out to be the right boxes, I'll get a list of what's there.
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How much modification is needed to fit one?
If over 145bhp is available, apparently the original 5 speed R17 box cannot cope with the power.
Alex in Norfolk
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How much modification is needed to fit one?
If over 145bhp is available, apparently the original 5 speed R17 box cannot cope with the power.
Alex in Norfolk
This link may answer some of your questions. Describes fitting a NG3 to a S2.
http://www.greytower.com/jon/lotus/europa/gearbox/gearbox.html
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Bad news! It was the wrong type of gearbox. He now knows what I'm after and reckons he gets offered that age of Espace from time to time.
Sorry for the false alarm. I thought I was pretty clear on the phone, but obviously not clear enough.
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Shucks..... I had visions of a "group buy" for a moment !
The correct boxes do come up on Ebay from time to time but often sellers say "must collect", which throws me out of their market as I'd want to arrange a pallet delivery. If you have a van & can travel, I'd expect you to pick one up before the rest of the car is ready to roll.
Brian
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The old A6 estate can swallow a gearbox or two. 211k miles and plenty of life left in it :-)
I've got feelers out with a few scrappies and I expect something will come up.
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They're like buses, these NG3 boxes. Got two of them on the way now, and have the feelers out for more. Both 2.0 petrol ones, so should be decent ratios for track / sprint use in a lighter car.
Is it worth putting an LSD in a Europa? Are they available for NG3 boxes?
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That's amazing luck. I've had a search on Ebay for ages now and the only things that keep coming up are those regular £2k ones, which are out of my price range.
Do you mind telling me how much you've had to pay for them ?
Brian
(and how on earth you've managed to get one ! )
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£250 ish. Just keeping my eye out. They're scrapyard boxes though, not rebuilt ones.
If I end up with a surplus one, you can have first refusal Brian. The one I'm picking up this Friday is from the scrappy who had the wrong type last time. Hope he's got it right this time!
I have another couple of places to try. I'll let you know. I missed another one by a week 'Oh we just crushed one of those'
In general I'd say most scrappies don't know a mk2 Espace box is desirable in a Lotus. I tell them it's going in a kit car, to avoid overinflated prices.
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Sounds a great deal.
I don't expect to get one rebuilt and was also looking in the £200-£300 bracket. For me that's enough to spend on a "maybe" idea and I wouldn't mind having to rebuild one at that sort of price.
Best of luck, I'm sure your man will have the right one this time. Keep the thread posted !
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I got a spare with my project car that is seized and I wasn't sure what to do with it. I guess I should seriously consider having it reconditioned.
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Worth a look inside anyway I'd think.
Still no box yet. The scrap man didn't get it out of the car in time. Hopefully next week
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Finally(!) got hold of an NG3 box and associated parts on Saturday. Drove to Cromer to get it on Saturday.
I told the breaker guy (small scale, works from his house) that if he gets any more I'll have the gearboxes, or I know people who will. I paid £175 including the clutch, flywheel, starter, linkage, etc. I know I won't use some of those bits, but it's useful to have them for fitting and measuring up. I think the next ones might be a bit more, as he's twigged that they're sought after now.
However, even if he wants £250 for one in future, that still seems like good value to me.
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An absolute bargain. As you say, even £250 isn't bad these days for an NG3.
No progress on me getting one locally around here though, but at least I've bought a proper Renault manual for one !
Brian
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Does anyone know if the Fuego Haynes manual has much info on the gearbox? They seem to be available on ebay fairly cheaply.
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The Renault manual is available on lotus-europa.com here (http://lotus-europa.com/manuals/). Unfortunately, it isn't searchable and it doesn't give torque values. If you get the Haynes manual, let us know if it's any good.
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BDA,
By chance I have the Renault PDF (from the Lotus Europa website) open on my desktop, it does have some torque values in it. They aren't listed in a chart, but are shown in some of the diagrams in "m da N" or newton meters. I spent a few hours this weekend messing around with the shift linkage at the gearbox end for my car, hence the manual being up on my screen.
Rod
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Hi Roddy. Maybe I missed it. If I remember, the reason I came to that conclusion is I was looking for the torque value for the secondary shaft nut. Richard (at Banks) gave me a torque value and I think I misplaced it so I was looking to see if my memory was correct. Luckily, I found it (120 ft-lbs), but I don't think I ever found it in the manual. On page 20, it says to "torque tighten it using 'C' wrench" but I don't think I ever found where the torque value was.
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My bad, m. da N is Deca Newton Meters. On page 15 on the section drawing of the NG3 the secondary shaft nut is shown as having 15 (along with Loctite) which is 110.63 lb ft.
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Well that was my problem. It was hidden on a page that was cryptically titled "SECTIONAL VIEW and TIGHTENING TORQUES in m. da N"! :FUNNY:
Then my only criticism is that it isn't searchable. On the other hand, the price is right!
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Just bought a Renault Fuego Haynes manual, as it has a good gearbox section in it. 7 quid including postage :D